Yes on current plans I'm under the impression that 142s will go by the end of the year but 144s will carry on operating in South Yorkshire for a brief period after January 2020. Open to correction however!
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Northern Pacer Withdrawals - Info?
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Yes on current plans I'm under the impression that 142s will go by the end of the year but 144s will carry on operating in South Yorkshire for a brief period after January 2020. Open to correction however!
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J-2739
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Thanks. Bit of a shame though. I call discrimination!
Just kidding, as I kind of like the 144s.
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trainmananthon
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Thanks for confirming. I wasn’t sure myself, it’s just what I read from someone who works for northern and, shall we say, rather likes pacers!
simon7929
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Number 21 and 22 out of warm store and in use in the NE today.
sprinterguy
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No matter how often their withdrawal is promised you just can't keep a 'good' Pacer down it seems.
As has been noted elsewhere it looks like it's going to be pretty close to the end of the year deadline before any major inroads into their number begin to be made, let alone completed.
61653 HTAFC
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My understanding is that 195 training is being stepped up over the coming weeks. Additionally it's been mentioned in another thread that 195s will start to appear on some Calder Valley services (including York-Blackpool) towards the end of autumn.
Cutting it close, but that should mean significant culling of the 142 fleet.
Cutting it close, but that should mean significant culling of the 142 fleet.
No matter how often their withdrawal is promised you just can't keep a 'good' Pacer down it seems.
As has been noted elsewhere it looks like it's going to be pretty close to the end of the year deadline before any major inroads into their number begin to be made, let alone completed.
Looks like from reading on the 195 thread the next date to watch is the 20th October for the next batch to be withdrawn from service. There may be some withdrawn before then but all has gone quiet on that front at the moment though.
Going to be the classic of leaving it right to the final moments of the deadline. We also got the 153 situation to work out when they will be withdrawn and what impacts that will have on services. The PRM programme looks too me it will over run hence all the 150/1 units are seemingly a priority as there is no gangways so looks to me Northern may seek having some non compliant units running into next year aslong as they are coupled with compliant units?
Next few months will be interesting.
krus_aragon
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The door may have been opened to an extension for them, as EMR have gained dispensation to continue using 153s next year as long as they're coupled up to PRM units (156s in their case).
61653 HTAFC
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By road or rail? Has it been heavily stripped of parts?
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krus_aragon
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It seems lunacy that they have to obtain a "dispensation" in such circumstances anyway, as such a train is already fully accessible.
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Not being converted into a "village hall" or "café" then...?
That competition is for the 144s, despite some media outlets using a picture of a 142 in their article
anamyd
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My bad!That competition is for the 144s, despite some media outlets using a picture of a 142 in their article
My PLATFORM 5 Pocket Book and Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Rail_Class_142) state that the Class 142s have aluminium alloy bodies and roofs. Are they both incorrect?
Funny you mention that, I checked my combined Platform5 volume for this year, and that’s my source. I can check, and will check other books and publications before I go to bed. But I’m sure the 142’s are steel bodies since they are riddled with corrosion in the way that the aluminium bodied 143 and 144 classes aren’t.
Well, I’ve looked up the construction of the Leyland National bus, and it was formed of steel pillars and panels and roof. Hence integral construction. So the 141’s and the doomed 142’s are steel vehicles.
But let’s get back on topic and hope that some more withdrawals will take place later next month. We don’t want them disintegrating any further if it can be helped!
But let’s get back on topic and hope that some more withdrawals will take place later next month. We don’t want them disintegrating any further if it can be helped!
Yes I was a bit puzzled too. I always thought that the 141s and 142s had steel bodies. It was mentioned on post #1061 that BR were talking about having the Pacers rebodied at some stage to extend their lives. Imagine a 142 with a shiny new Alexander Dennis or Wright body!
Apparently the 150s have bad corrosion issues too. I read about new roofs being welded onto some carriages. These too were only meant to be in service for 30 years.
In an ideal world both Pacers and 150s would be directly replaced with something like a DMU version of the Transperth B-series https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transperth_B-series_train or Alstom X'Trapolis 100. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X'Trapolis_100
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The Prisoner
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They look like prototype 80s units. Terrible boxy things.
61653 HTAFC
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Who the heck comes up with these stupid names? What's that apostrophe there for?
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krus_aragon
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I think Jeremy Clarkson (and the Kia Cee'd / Cee-apostrophe-dee) would agree with you.Who the heck comes up with these stupid names? What's that apostrophe there for?
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Whattraintoday
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Picture of a 142* I was on the other day, complete with rust.
I pity the scrappers - there'll be a huge red dust cloud the moment they start cutting.
*sorry, didn't get the number
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Nice political compromise - take loads of Pacers ‘out of service’.....but keep them warm to help out a threadbare fleet until they can really be withdrawn.
“We have withdrawn xx Pacers [just still using them for remarkably regular “emergencies”]”
“We have withdrawn xx Pacers [just still using them for remarkably regular “emergencies”]”
sprinterguy
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It's certainly going to be down to the wire given that Pacer withdrawals were supposed to have started last September and take thirteen months to complete. I suspect that there'll still be plenty of 142s keeping the reprieved 144s company during the early months of 2020.
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IamTrainsYT
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what is going to happen with the 142s that are withdrawn and what is there storage location
61653 HTAFC
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Allegedly 142005 has already gone to Booth's Scrapyard in Rotherham (though only one forum user has reported this and it hasn't been documented elsewhere as far as I know). I think most of them are being stored at various locations (Heaton depot in Newcastle being one) as those that are still able to run may be used to cover for other units during the Autumn.
It had been moved from next to the Calder valley line to round the back near to the Metrolink lines when I drove my train past on Friday. Easily recognisable by its branding. Don’t know if it’s been removed since over the weekend as I’ve been on the Nottingham run from Leeds.
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