Class 350/1 refurbishment

sd0733 · 28 Sep 2019

RealTrains07 said:
Doesn’t surprise me considering they probably want to save money like SWR and actually nothing has seem to have changed since 115 was first in service after the refurb. Has it had the full exterior work yet or no?

having a USB point at every seat is a bonus though compared to other TOCs refurbs

No, 115 was still grey. 104 was in the bay at Northampton grey but untouched inside and another grey one was on Kings Heath.
Yes the sockets are a bonus

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RealTrains07 · 28 Sep 2019

sd0733 said:
No, 115 was still grey. 104 was in the bay at Northampton grey but untouched inside and another grey one was on Kings Heath.
Yes the sockets are a bonus

well its progress if anything. Looks like the seat backs have been repainted too?

by chance, just saw 115 leave birmingham working a train back to london :lol:

sd0733 · 29 Sep 2019

RealTrains07 said:
well its progress if anything. Looks like the seat backs have been repainted too?

by chance, just saw 115 leave birmingham working a train back to london

To be honest I didnt notice but not saying they hadnt been done.
I've jumped ship now, left for a different TOC so unlikely to see one for a while and certainly wont find out any info internally anymore!

TH172341 · 29 Sep 2019

Good to see some common sense in the actual placement of the sockets being on the back of the seat pillar rather than hidden underneath.

RealTrains07 · 29 Sep 2019

TH172341 said:
Good to see some common sense in the actual placement of the sockets being on the back of the seat pillar rather than hidden underneath.

And not on the raidiators like SWR :lol:

Bletchleyite · 29 Sep 2019

RealTrains07 said:
And not on the raidiators like SWR

Indeed, I like putting my foot up on there.

TT-ONR-NRN · 30 Sep 2019

Bletchleyite said:
Indeed, I like putting my foot up on there.

As do I. The plug sockets on the refurbished South Western Railway 450s intrude in my legroom for sure, it is good to see the 350s are not the same.

59CosG95 · 3 Oct 2019

104 is now back at Long Marston.

RealTrains07 · 3 Oct 2019

59CosG95 said:
104 is now back at Long Marston.

Remind me is long marston where the livery is done and kings heath, the interior or is it the other way round?

59CosG95 · 3 Oct 2019

RealTrains07 said:
Remind me is long marston where the livery is done and kings heath, the interior or is it the other way round?

Other way round.

Goldfish62 · 3 Oct 2019

RealTrains07 said:
And not on the raidiators like SWR

This is where the 1st Class sockets were from new and as retained when standard class seats were fitted in their place in the 450/5s. But yes, between the seats is far better.

87015 · 3 Oct 2019

401 at Bletchley painted.
Refurb one busy going ECS as drivers not trained on new CIS...

Bletchleyite · 3 Oct 2019

87015 said:
401 at Bletchley painted.
Refurb one busy going ECS as drivers not trained on new CIS...

Given that the CIS (old or new) is switched off half the time and the PRM regs haven't kicked in yet, why not, er, just switch it off and have the guard do manual announcements?

BucksBones · 3 Oct 2019

87015 said:
401 at Bletchley painted.
Refurb one busy going ECS as drivers not trained on new CIS...

Oh for goodness’ sake!! How long has this refurb been in the pipeline?

Bletchleyite said:
Given that the CIS (old or new) is switched off half the time and the PRM regs haven't kicked in yet, why not, er, just switch it off and have the guard do manual announcements?

Well exactly. The mind boggles.

Trainfan2019 · 3 Oct 2019

Lovely new refurbished interior at Crewe Wednesday evening on the 17:01 Crewe to London Euston service. Grey seats, usb and mains sockets. How many are like this?

8J · 3 Oct 2019

The PIS system working has a lot more significance than just switching off the auto and being able to do a manual PA. It also determines how drivers and conductors react to passcoms and call for aid alarms.

Without proper briefs on how this new system works for staff, the train should not be in service.

mde · 4 Oct 2019

Bletchleyite said:
Given that the CIS (old or new) is switched off half the time and the PRM regs haven't kicked in yet, why not, er, just switch it off and have the guard do manual announcements?

Although it's certainly a PRM-TSI requirement, doesn't regulation 13 of RVAR 1998 require such a system to be in place anyway?

If so, it'd be hard to see a reasonable justification for isolating a system due to a lack of staff training. The operator should know better…

driver_m · 4 Oct 2019

If you can’t do emergency announcements via a PA system, the train can’t run. It has to be taken out of service. That’s why it won’t be able to have pax on it assuming it’s interconnected to the PIS.

Bletchleyite · 4 Oct 2019

driver_m said:
If you can’t do emergency announcements via a PA system, the train can’t run. It has to be taken out of service. That’s why it won’t be able to have pax on it assuming it’s interconnected to the PIS.

If the passcom and PA are inseparably connected to the PIS, given the typical reliability of on-train PIS that is an idiotic piece of design beyond belief. Safety critical systems should never be connected to complex IT systems - they should be simple and separate and provable in design.

Which given the TOC involved in it, would not surprise me one bit - I can think of only one decision I can recall them having made since inception (fewer 4-car trains) that wasn't idiotic.

RealTrains07 · 4 Oct 2019

Trainfan2019 said:
Lovely new refurbished interior at Crewe Wednesday evening on the 17:01 Crewe to London Euston service. Grey seats, usb and mains sockets. How many are like this?

just the one at the moment, 350/115 however 104, 106 and 123 are in the works at the moment so shouldnt be too long before we see more

Trainfan2019 · 4 Oct 2019

Ah thanks for the info RealTrains07. Looking forward to seeing more refurbished trains on this route soon.

387star · 4 Oct 2019

RealTrains07 said:
just the one at the moment, 350/115 however 104, 106 and 123 are in the works at the moment so shouldnt be too long before we see more

Have they finalised the livery

RealTrains07 · 4 Oct 2019

387star said:
Have they finalised the livery

106 did however its had the final livery removed according to a post earlier in the thread. As of now 115, 104 and 106 have the temporary livery while 123 still has the LM livery

That should hopefully change soon as the refurbishment program starts to pick up

RealTrains07 · 7 Oct 2019

Is 350/115 still in service does anyone know of??

8J · 7 Oct 2019

It was in service today on the 16:33 Liverpool Lime St - London Euston

Spirit555 · 7 Oct 2019

RealTrains07 said:
106 did however its had the final livery removed according to a post earlier in the thread. As of now 115, 104 and 106 have the temporary livery while 123 still has the LM livery

That should hopefully change soon as the refurbishment program starts to pick up

350123 is white with green doors as per the other three. It has been through Long Marston at least once so far

Link to picture. Credit to the photographer please

https://www.flickr.com/photos/135481234@N06/48363235931/sizes/l/

Mark

RealTrains07 · 8 Oct 2019

Spirit555 said:
350123 is white with green doors as per the other three. It has been through Long Marston at least once so far

Link to picture. Credit to the photographer please

https://www.flickr.com/photos/135481234@N06/48363235931/sizes/l/

Mark

At least its back in service though. Any knowledge of the state of the inside?

RealTrains07 · 9 Oct 2019

350/115 refurbishment has been shown off by LNR on their facebook as well as fellow customers on twitter

Guards cab removed. Replaced by luggage racks.

Plugs, new seat covers in both first and standard.

Still using old LM stickers but looks great for the most part

Sources:
https://twitter.com/tobythetram/status/1181860465418342400?s=12

https://twitter.com/tobythetram/status/1181862615481487360?s=12

https://twitter.com/tartancam/status/1181886630405246976?s=12

RealTrains07 · 9 Oct 2019

350/106 is now out in service, refurbishment complete as mentioned in the refurbishment and repaint thread

Bletchleyite · 9 Oct 2019

Looks good to me. The new seat covers make Standard look even more vastly superior to 1st than it already was!

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