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ScotGG

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Use of italics is interesting there.

Any news on how they plan to deal with reductions in capacity from Jan?
 

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Use of italics is interesting there.

Any news on how they plan to deal with reductions in capacity from Jan?
It was to distinguish previous overhauls, where they were hauled all the way to Doncaster for the work to be carried out. One did go up behind 66783 not too long ago - must have been 466043.
 

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Ah I wondered if it was a hint they may plan other work now given no word on how they will solve problem of capacity decreases.
 

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Ah I wondered if it was a hint they may plan other work now given no word on how they will solve problem of capacity decreases.
I can't seem to find the December timetables for SE, which while public timetables detail service times only, their release will also presumably mean the rolling stock allocations are also decided.

All the overhauls are done; 66731 hauled 466043 back from Ilford to Tonbridge (and thence Slade Green) last night.
Thank you for the updates, now all that's left is for SE to explain how things will pan out from mid-December.
 

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So it now looks like the following will occur:
Medway Valley 3x 375/3
Sheerness 2x 375/3
Bromley North 1 x 465
 

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So it now looks like the following will occur:
Medway Valley 3x 375/3
Sheerness 2x 375/3
Bromley North 1 x 465
Makes sense in all, but if @ComUtoR 's words on the Bromley North branch are anything to go by they will need to sort the issues out there fast to get 465s working it again.
Does anyone also know yet where those 375s are coming from and what's replacing them (presumably another Networker formation would take to the mainline)?
 

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Bromley North 1 x 465

I'd be interested to know what they have done to resolve the issues.

Makes sense in all, but if @ComUtoR 's words on the Bromley North branch are anything to go by they will need to sort the issues out there fast to get 465s working it again.

There is a very quick way of resolving it but I certainly haven't heard anything as of today (12/11/19)
 

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I'd be interested to know what they have done to resolve the issues.

There is a very quick way of resolving it but I certainly haven't heard anything as of today (12/11/19)

I believe a 466 will stay on there on a STP basis until issues are resolved.
 

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As a consequence of the shuffling of stock required to get two 375/3s into the sheerness branch, 2W96 0743 Ashford- Charing X and 1R92 0922 Charing X - Ashford will be 8 car 377 instead of 375s (which are covering two former 375/3 diagrams from Ashford).

2K91 0737 Sole Street to Blackfriars will be an 8 car 465/9 instead of those 377s. 1G85 1845 Cannon St - Ramsgate will be 8 377 instead of its current formation.

There’s lots of other menial changes as well but these were the ones my contact pointed out.
 

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That doesn't look too bad for the exchange of two 3 car 375s, albeit the two 466s will be replacing those 465s from a set/sets that might be working the metro all day, which is of course the primary issue of 466 branch loss. I presume those 465s will do another unknown working in the evening peak as well.
 

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Now any changes to stock could be years off should that be looked at again?

What Metro diagrams lose the 465s that are moving to cover the 375s on Sole Street to Blackfriars?
 

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There is a very quick way of resolving it but I certainly haven't heard anything as of today (12/11/19)
I know you can't disclose the issue here but if it is a quick fix, could a weekend engineering work closure not resolve it (and of course Bromley North is closed Sundays anyway)?
 

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could a weekend engineering work closure not resolve it (and of course Bromley North is closed Sundays anyway)?

There is nothing to build so no engineering works are required. The fix is easy, SE just has to pay for it.
 

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Very little point in doing so. Networkers are due to be replaced in the next SE franchise, and SE hadn't planned for the most recent delay to the franchise award.

Even if the franchise had been awarded as expected, there would still have been a delay before the new trains arrived of 2 or 3 years
 

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Even if the franchise had been awarded as expected, there would still have been a delay before the new trains arrived of 2 or 3 years

Kinda the point really. If the franchise was awarded as expected, the new units would be here already and running in service and Networkers would be in train heaven. The constant direct awards have pushed the fleet replacement down the line each time. Now SE are at a point where they have a fleet that they neither want or can replace. Another direct award/OLR will kick the can further and yes, as you say, add another couple of years before the fleet gets replaced.
 

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Surely someone knows what Metro diagrams lose the 465s that are moving to cover the 375s on Sole Street to Blackfriars?
 

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So it now looks like the following will occur:
Medway Valley 3x 375/3
Sheerness 2x 375/3
Bromley North 1 x 465
Thinking about the Medway valley line more where has that 3rd 375 been operating the last 1.5 years, considering for many years 3x375s was normal?
 

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Thinking about the Medway valley line more where has that 3rd 375 been operating the last 1.5 years, considering for many years 3x375s was normal?
Been covering for a shortage of 4 cars by working 2W95 0708 Folkestone Central to London Cannon Street as a 10 car vice 11. A few were taken out of service after various tree related incidents.
 

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Been covering for a shortage of 4 cars by working 2W95 0708 Folkestone Central to London Cannon Street as a 10 car vice 11. A few were taken out of service after various tree related incidents.
Sounds fair. The use of a 466 on the MDW shuttle (with PDW peak extensions) did kind of feel like a more effective use of stock for that service which from personal experience has been suitable (apart from maybe some disabled passengers and bicycle users having less space), given it doesn't run for more than half an hour on each single journey. The Tonbridge ones though are better as 375/3s.
 

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375/3s have taken over operation on the Sheerness Branch from today because of Persistent power supply issues affecting 2 cars running on there. The Medway Valley will be covered by 466s until further notice. (Well only for a month max).
 

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375/3s have taken over operation on the Sheerness Branch from today because of Persistent power supply issues affecting 2 cars running on there. The Medway Valley will be covered by 466s until further notice. (Well only for a month max).
That would explain why I saw a 466(030 I think) doing a Tonbridge working while travelling on the MDW shuttle (466015) as part of a journey to Stratford earlier today. I presume the peak 6 car Networkers are unaffected on the Sheerness branch.

This does highlight though a resilience issue with SE; when 466s get this restriction if there are problems on any of the branches the stock-stretched franchise will be even more restricted. We already know 466s are currently the only stock able to operate Bromley North shuttles as another example.
 

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The Bromley North Branch will now stay 2 466. A derogation has been granted.
 

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The Bromley North Branch will now stay 2 466. A derogation has been granted.
Makes a lot of sense considering a 5 minute journey isn't going to cause great concern to anyone. I imagine SE now won't address the safety issue unless they want to resume engineering work services on odd Sundays.
 

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Surely someone knows what Metro diagrams lose the 465s that are moving to cover the 375s on Sole Street to Blackfriars?
I don't know what workings exactly are involved but tracking RTT the formation for that train starts at Gillingham depot, so any of the Chatham mainline stoppers or Sidcup line services are the most likely to be affected that also see their stock come from there.
 
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