Future of Newhaven Marine and Harbour Stations?

Grizz · 22 Jun 2020

Hahahaha.......that’ll teach me not to check.....and note to self re Alcohol in the mornings. It’s not big and it’s not clever, isopropyl alcohol is for your hands not your mouth. :lol:

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Grizz · 22 Jun 2020

Anyone got any up date on if hopper wagons are likely to be used at the new terminal?

James H · 24 Jun 2020

The outcome of this consultation is that Newhaven Marine station should close. However this proposal is subject to agreement by the Office of Rail and Road (‘ORR’). Should closure be agreed by ORR, the station will close either:

on a date not be before 26 September 2020

or

four weeks after ratification by the ORR

depending on which date is later.
A summary of the responses to the consultation is included in the outcome and was released on 24 June 2020.

Newhaven Marine rail station closure

Seeks views on proposals to close Newhaven Marine railway station.

www.gov.uk

swt_passenger · 24 Jun 2020

James H said:
Newhaven Marine rail station closure

Seeks views on proposals to close Newhaven Marine railway station.

www.gov.uk

The wheels of government turn as slowly as possible, with the handbrake fully applied. ORR get 3 months to rubber stamp this?

clagmonster · 26 Jun 2020

In my view, this is the correct decision. There is no viable passenger traffic at Newhaven Marine which cannot be served by the other two stations in the town. Foot passengers for the ferry are now better served at Newhaven Town, which is closer to the entrance to the new ferry terminal building. The site of Newhaven Marine station will be much more productively used by aggregates traffic. Retaining the station would be analogous to the idea of retaining New Holland Pier station after the Humber Bridge opened and the ferries ceased - an absurd notion.

What I am oppose to however is the methodology of the closure. The closure proposals should have been made as soon as the boat trains ceased to run or at the very latest when the old ferry terminal was closed, I am unsure of the service history, they may well both have happened on the same date. That is when the service became pointless. By leaving it this long, years after the event, with the vast majority of through tickets and even the train service withdrawn before closure, it has removed all sensible consultation on the plans.

trainmania100 · 9 Jul 2020

6O13 is running again today.

trainmania100 · 16 Jul 2020

Train 6Y93 Purley Foster Yeoman to Newhaven Marine Ag Tml Dbc | Rail Record

Live train times and live updates for Train 6Y93 Purley Foster Yeoman to Newhaven Marine Ag Tml Dbc | Rail Record

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Interesting working from Purley tomorrow which usually sees hoppers instead of boxes, could this maybe be a hopper wagon gauging test or something for marine?
Apologies if the link stops working, VSTPs have a habit of getting deleted and this was only created half an hour ago
Train 6Z93 1044 Purley Foster Yeoman to Newhaven Marine Ag Tml Dbc
DB Cargo service

trainmania100 · 17 Jul 2020

Couple of shots of today's Newhaven Marine with HJA hoppers, never seen them down here before...

Grizz · 18 Jul 2020

Superb photos chap!
The future looks to be hopper shaped.

Realtime and Railrecord don’t appear to show what the return working was.....
Only shows the Newhaven to Neasden path but not if actually ran. Any ideas?

trainmania100 · 25 Jul 2020

Interesting driver training moves on Monday, between Newhaven Marine and Day Aggregates,

Trains at Newhaven Marine Ag Tml Dbc on 27/07/2020 | Rail Record

Live Train Times for Newhaven Marine Ag Tml Dbc - Search passenger and freight services at Newhaven Marine Ag Tml Dbc

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Grizz · 26 Jul 2020

trainmania100 said:
Interesting driver training moves on Monday, between Newhaven Marine and Day Aggregates,

Trains at Newhaven Marine Ag Tml Dbc on 27/07/2020 | Rail Record

Live Train Times for Newhaven Marine Ag Tml Dbc - Search passenger and freight services at Newhaven Marine Ag Tml Dbc

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Could this be route learning etc in anticipation for train loads of “Bottom Ash“ from the Incinerator to the new concrete block manufacturing plant?...

trainmania100 · 26 Jul 2020

Grizz said:
Could this be route learning etc in anticipation for train loads of “Bottom Ash“ from the Incinerator to the new concrete block manufacturing plant?...

I think it's just route learning for hither green drivers into marine who already know the route as far as town yard

Although closer than marine, the town yard is actually a few hundred meters away from the incinerator so the ash would probably come by lorry anyway, so if the ash were to go to marine I'd have thought they'd use the lorry's and unload it there instead of town yard, probably quicker than unloading it there then loading again at town yard, then unloading again at marine

If it runs itll be interesting as to where they'll reverse the locomotive to go into day aggregates, as far as I'm aware there's no turn back signal on the up line from Newhaven, only on the down side, maybe it'll run wrong line over town yard jn or something who knows...

Romsey · 26 Jul 2020

You're looking for ground signal TLW1575 for down movements from the Up Seaford line into Newhaven Town Yard over TLW26 points. The signal and point numbers may have altered with the final recontrol of the area as the diagram I have referred to is over a year old.

Islineclear3_1 · 26 Jul 2020

Romsey said:
You're looking for ground signal TLW1575 for down movements from the Up Seaford line into Newhaven Town Yard over TLW26 points. The signal and point numbers may have altered with the final recontrol of the area as the diagram I have referred to is over a year old.

Do you mean TLW1583 as I think TLW1585 is on the approach to Seaford?

If so, the last time I visited, the nettles had virtually obliterated the ground signal unless they have been cleared now?

trainmania100 · 27 Jul 2020

Sorry yes 1575 is the one I'm looking for on opentrain times. Never seen that be used before, should be interesting to see how it plays out.

trainmania100 · 27 Jul 2020

66150 ran the route learning today but it didn't go into day aggs at any point staying in marine for 4 hours

trainmania100 · 28 Jul 2020

Beast of a catch today on the 6O13
Haven't seen a double header down here in a long time...

SargeNpton · 28 Jul 2020

clagmonster said:
In my view, this is the correct decision. There is no viable passenger traffic at Newhaven Marine which cannot be served by the other two stations in the town. Foot passengers for the ferry are now better served at Newhaven Town, which is closer to the entrance to the new ferry terminal building. The site of Newhaven Marine station will be much more productively used by aggregates traffic. Retaining the station would be analogous to the idea of retaining New Holland Pier station after the Humber Bridge opened and the ferries ceased - an absurd notion.

What I am oppose to however is the methodology of the closure. The closure proposals should have been made as soon as the boat trains ceased to run or at the very latest when the old ferry terminal was closed, I am unsure of the service history, they may well both have happened on the same date. That is when the service became pointless. By leaving it this long, years after the event, with the vast majority of through tickets and even the train service withdrawn before closure, it has removed all sensible consultation on the plans.

Perhaps the people with the ability to set this all in motion didn't want the associated costs falling into their budget?

Grizz · 6 Aug 2020

3 workings through Lewes to Newhaven today, according To RR, 66011, 66047 & 66147.....three in one day....who’d a thunk it??????

trainmania100 · 7 Aug 2020

Nice pair at day aggs today, 565 and 566

mailbyrail · 17 Sep 2020

The official closure notice for Newhaven Marine published 20 Jan 2020 gave the official closure date as being 26 September 2020.
It's all academic as there's no service anyway, but is that still what will happen and that's the official 'end of the line' for Newhaven Marine, making it the first complete closure since Angel Road?

swt_passenger · 17 Sep 2020

mailbyrail said:
The official closure notice for Newhaven Marine published 20 Jan 2020 gave the official closure date as being 26 September 2020.
It's all academic as there's no service anyway, but is that still what will happen and that's the official 'end of the line' for Newhaven Marine, making it the first complete closure since Angel Road?

It’s that date OR 4 weeks after ORR ratification, whichever is later. It isn’t showing as ratified on ORR website yet, so I expect the latter situation now applies...

Journeyman · 17 Sep 2020

What does the site look like these days? I visited about ten years ago, when it was largely intact and possible to wander around.

mailbyrail · 17 Sep 2020

so they can't even close a station properly that has no trains and an agreed process.
There's no chance the end is anywhere nigh for IBM or British Steel

swt_passenger · 17 Sep 2020

Journeyman said:
What does the site look like these days? I visited about ten years ago, when it was largely intact and possible to wander around.

Post #202 is roughly it I think. The concrete hard standing with a platform edge is still there, but all buildings were removed. Level crossing was closed, and the signal box demolished.

Journeyman · 17 Sep 2020

swt_passenger said:
Post #202 is roughly it I think. The concrete hard standing with a platform edge is still there, but all buildings were removed. Level crossing was closed, and the signal box demolished.

Thanks. There was still quite a lot there when I visited. The building was obviously out of use, but just looked dusty - there were still signs up, from the NSE era.

WesternLancer · 17 Sep 2020

mailbyrail said:
The official closure notice for Newhaven Marine published 20 Jan 2020 gave the official closure date as being 26 September 2020.
It's all academic as there's no service anyway, but is that still what will happen and that's the official 'end of the line' for Newhaven Marine, making it the first complete closure since Angel Road?

Surely someone will get a last day ticket - and maybe demand a rail replacement taxi to Newhaven Harbour?

SargeNpton · 18 Sep 2020

mailbyrail said:
so they can't even close a station properly that has no trains and an agreed process.
There's no chance the end is anywhere nigh for IBM or British Steel

IBM and British Steel Redcar are not closed; merely had the service suspended. For both locations the sites are expected to undergo redevelopment (well, before COVID hit anyway), with the likelihood of the services being reinstated when there is once again something there for passengers to travel to/from.

Journeyman · 18 Sep 2020

SargeNpton said:
IBM and British Steel Redcar are not closed; merely had the service suspended. For both locations the sites are expected to undergo redevelopment (well, before COVID hit anyway), with the likelihood of the services being reinstated when there is once again something there for passengers to travel to/from.

They were both stations that technically were only available for those with legitimate business on the sites they were built to serve, so were sort of not available to the general public anyway. IBM was easy for punters to use because the business had closed some time before the station, but Redcar was a bit different. I got off a train there once and was swooped upon by a security guard within a minute or two. Thankfully he accepted my excuse of being an enthusiast, and escorted me to the gates.

paul1609 · 18 Sep 2020

Journeyman said:
They were both stations that technically were only available for those with legitimate business on the sites they were built to serve, so were sort of not available to the general public anyway. IBM was easy for punters to use because the business had closed some time before the station, but Redcar was a bit different. I got off a train there once and was swooped upon by a security guard within a minute or two. Thankfully he accepted my excuse of being an enthusiast, and escorted me to the gates.

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