2016 US election discussion

[Busaholic]

Sorry, moderate should have been in quotes.

It's all relative, and the idea for the republicans was that Trump would shift the Overton window so you'd have "the far left" of Clinton, the "middle ground" of Cruz, and the "far right" of Trump.

In reality Clinton would be on the right-side of the Tory party in the UK

How does Trump explain all his financial contributions to Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign in 2008?

 

[Groningen]

Trump is like a trafficlight. Green, yellow and red; he is not bound to 1 particular party! The amount in 2008 was 5000 $. Trump donated in the last 15 years to Democratic politicians ($ 476.000) and Republicans ($ 452.000).

 

[Busaholic]

Michael Bloomberg, the Republican ex- Mayor of New York, has announced he won't stand as an independent candidate for President, as he 'can't in all conscience' take votes from the Democrat candidate which might enable the election of either Trump or Cruz! Toxic Trump, with an appropriate visual, might make a very effective election poster for the Democrats if the Republicans really do lose the plot and announce him as their candidate.

 

[backontrack]

Expect war crimes if Trump gets in:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHUfOWrA45A

[YOUTUBE]uHUfOWrA45A[/YOUTUBE]

 

[Groningen]

Now is goes about that thing only men have and sits between the legs between Trump and Rubio.

 

[ExRes]

How does Trump explain all his financial contributions to Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign in 2008?

Why would Trump the businessman need to explain his donations?, they're entirely self evident, donate money = get preferential treatment

Trump the businessman, like most, would donate to Assad, Mugabe or Putin, perhaps even Corbyn, if it suited his ambitions

 

[miami]

Why would Trump the businessman need to explain his donations?, they're entirely self evident, donate money = get preferential treatment

One man, one vote! Democracy yeay!

 

[Busaholic]

Bernie Sanders won Michigan, totally contrary to the opinion polls' findings. He's not out of the contest yet: in fact, his chances of becoming President are infinitely greater than Trump's, because Trump's are, happily, precisely zero.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

When trying to evaluate American voting habits, one has to think like an American resident in each of the voting states and not try to think like a British voter, as matters that they seem important sometimes to those Americans are just not understood by those on this side of the pond.

 

[Amberley54]

When trying to evaluate American voting habits, one has to think like an American resident in each of the voting states and not try to think like a British voter, as matters that they seem important sometimes to those Americans are just not understood by those on this side of the pond.

Very profound, but the psyche of the US voter has all too often defied recieved logic this side of the Atlantic.

I'm just wondering if Trump would take around 2,000 commons (bricks) for his blessed wall, as they are cluttering up our yard?

 

[TheNewNo2]

Bernie Sanders won Michigan, totally contrary to the opinion polls' findings. He's not out of the contest yet: in fact, his chances of becoming President are infinitely greater than Trump's, because Trump's are, happily, precisely zero.

I disagree with you on that one. He has a pretty decent chance of it. He has a better chance than most people ever would.

If he becomes the GOP nominee, he's more or less guaranteed to get at least 40% of the vote. His message, while incredibly toxic in some respects, resonates with a lot of people. He's also a master manipulator of the media. He doesn't have any real beliefs, so attacking him on those grounds is utterly pointless. And the more people attack him the more people find him appealing.

Is Trump a weak candidate? Probably. But none of the other GOP candidates are much stronger.

 

[tony_mac]

The last polls I saw for Trump v Clinton suggest he would be about 3% behind. (Cruz about level, Rubio 4% ahead).
While it's pretty meaningless at this stage, that does suggest it's not impossible.

 

[Busaholic]

The last polls I saw for Trump v Clinton suggest he would be about 3% behind. (Cruz about level, Rubio 4% ahead).
While it's pretty meaningless at this stage, that does suggest it's not impossible.

I'm following the guy whose name I don't presently recollect, the one who correctly called each state in the 2012 election and all bar one in 2008, and he gives Trump no chance whatever, reckoning a lot of usual non-voters would come out and vote Democrat if Trump were the candidate: of course, he could be entirely wrong this time. We shall see.

 

[TheNewNo2]

I'm following the guy whose name I don't presently recollect, the one who correctly called each state in the 2012 election and all bar one in 2008, and he gives Trump no chance whatever, reckoning a lot of usual non-voters would come out and vote Democrat if Trump were the candidate: of course, he could be entirely wrong this time. We shall see.

Princeton Election Consortium?

 

[DownSouth]

I'm following the guy whose name I don't presently recollect, the one who correctly called each state in the 2012 election and all bar one in 2008, and he gives Trump no chance whatever, reckoning a lot of usual non-voters would come out and vote Democrat if Trump were the candidate: of course, he could be entirely wrong this time. We shall see.

Nate Silver?

For what it's worth, I think Trump will get some centrist Republicans voting against him in November as well. My Aussie-citizen-American-resident friend's wife will be doing that despite being a lifelong Republican voter, the line of work she's in needs international trade too much to risk going with a presidential candidate who has announced his intention to start a whole swag of trade wars.

With that possibility in mind, I wouldn't be surprised if the Republican National Committee decides to essentially ignore the Presidential race and treat Trump like an independent if they can't avoid his nomination. He surely won't turn into a proper Republican at 12:01pm on 20/01/17 if he wins, so they might as well get used to treating him like an independent.

If all of the RNC's effort and money instead goes towards holding solid majorities in the House and Senate (need to win 21 of the 34 seats open, they currently hold 24) and they succeed, the elected president (whether Trump or Clinton) will have to work with the Republican leadership - whether they like it or not.

 

[miami]

Turnout will be interesting. Trump will get a lot of people who don't normally vote to turn up, and combined with the anti-poor voter registration laws will give him a good lead. If Clinton's there too you can be sure of the crazy vote going to Trump as people start having palpitations about Benghazi and those other things that people talk about at abovetopsecret.com and foxnews.

On the other hand more moderate republicans may just not vote at all, and swing voters will likely go for Clinton.

However if Sanders voters decide not to vote for clinton on the day, and just stay at home, that will be a massive problem, not just because of Clinton losing, but because of the extra republican support in Congress.

 

[backontrack]

Turnout will be interesting. Trump will get a lot of people who don't normally vote to turn up, and combined with the anti-poor voter registration laws will give him a good lead. If Clinton's there too you can be sure of the crazy vote going to Trump as people start having palpitations about Benghazi and those other things that people talk about at abovetopsecret.com and foxnews.

On the other hand more moderate republicans may just not vote at all, and swing voters will likely go for Clinton.

However if Sanders voters decide not to vote for clinton on the day, and just stay at home, that will be a massive problem, not just because of Clinton losing, but because of the extra republican support in Congress.

I'm not sure about that. The Trump media wagon can be very persuasive...

 

[Busaholic]

Clinton is not there yet! Sanders winning the Michigan primary has been described as the biggest primary upset in over three decades: it will be extremely difficult for him, but it is not impossible. Three 'rust-bucket' states vote shortly, and if he replicated his Michigan success in those, and with that momentum behind him, he might just pull off the nomination. A tall order, admittedly, but if Leicester City can win the Premiership...

 

[Groningen]

I see a kind of civil war coming up in the USA if Trump becomes president. A lot of events with Trump seem to get out of hand.

 

[backontrack]

I wouldn't see that happening. There are idiots in every state.

 

[Groningen]

Trump called Carson a pedophile; and now all if forgotten. Carson supports Trump. Talking about short time memory!

 

[Busaholic]

Trump called Carson a pedophile; and now all if forgotten. Carson supports Trump. Talking about short time memory!

So Trump called Carson a lover of cyclists

 

[Groningen]

John Oliver and the elections on Late Show with Stephen Colbert:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x056ioqqn8A

 

[miami]

Interesting that. 12% of the US voting for him means that Trump gets the nomination, and then thanks to partisan politics he's guaranteed 45% of the vote without doing anything, and a good chance at getting the extra 4% needed.

Put's Cameron's requirement of 25% of voters to shame.


Shame there was no comparison of Boris and the cult of personality.

 

[NY Yankee]

I see a kind of civil war coming up in the USA if Trump becomes president. A lot of events with Trump seem to get out of hand.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...-trump-rally-hints-violence-article-1.2560288

John McGraw, who sucker-punched protester at N.C. Donald Trump rally, hints at more violence: ‘Next time, we might have to kill him!’

Make America hate again.

An elderly goon who sucker-punched a black protester at a Donald Trump rally in North Carolina said he has no regrets about his hateful actions and warned the level of violence could be ramped up.

“Next time we see him, we might have to kill him!” 78-year-old John McGraw told “Inside Edition” Wednesday after landing the brutal blow.

“We don’t know who he is,” he said. “He might be with a terrorist organization.”

The cowboy-hat-wearing Trump supporter was arrested Thursday and charged with assault.

The sickening caught-on-camera attack — yet another example of protesters and media members being manhandled at Trump rallies — went down as cops were ejecting 26-year-old Rakeem Jones from the event full of rabid loyalists to the blowhard billionaire.

Jones said he felt as if he was being transported back in time.

“It’s not the America they portray on TV,” he said Thursday.

But friend Ronnie Rouse, who caught the incident at the Crown Coliseum in Fayetteville on video, said the moment was “totally American.”

“This is the America everybody wants to ignore,” the music producer said. “This is the America, when people tell you, ‘Oh, racism doesn’t exist.’ It’s here.”

Video of the violent incident shows the ponytailed McGraw, clad in a cowboy hat and black leather vest, sitting back down after cold-cocking the peaceful protester as his seatmates congratulate him on the dirty blow.

Jones stumbled after being struck and video of the aftermath shows him being thrown to the ground by a group of deputies before he was escorted from the arena.

McGraw was convinced Jones, who appeared to gesture to the crowd but did not use physical violence, deserved to be decked.

"You bet I liked it,” he told “Inside Edition.” “Knocking the hell out of the big mouth.”

A family member described McGraw as a retired horse handler and artist who is known for his short temper.

"He’s a complex man,” the relative told the Daily News. “He’s a strange man. In some ways he’s a good person. He can also scare the hell out of you.”

Police later arrested McGraw and charged him with assault and battery and disorderly conduct.

Trump has courted racially-charged controversy throughout his campaign and angered many when he wavered about disavowing former Ku Klux Klan grand wizard David Duke’s endorsement

The GOP front-runner’s vile rhetoric about Hispanics, Muslims, and women has led to numerous confrontations between protesters and supporters at his rallies

This is truly sickening. It's like the 1950's when blacks used to get lynched in the deep south. And these are the people who support Trump.

The citizens of the UK are so lucky. They don't have to deal with blatant bigotry. And even when people in Great Britain have different political opinions, they don't resort to violence to get their point across.

 

[TheNewNo2]

Well Rubio's out now, good riddance.

 

[miami]

Still a long way to go before Trumps voters get rid of their "Vote Trump" tshirt uniforms and replace them with paramilitary ones, and the police are still providing the security for party rallies.

Sadly, as usual the left-wing fascists don't attack with words, they attack by trying to disrupt the rallies, the same thing the SS did in the 30s.

 

[NY Yankee]

Well Rubio's out now, good riddance.

I'm not a Rubio fan, but he was clearly the lesser of two evils.

 

[backontrack]

I'm not a Rubio fan, but he was clearly the lesser of two evils.

He was dividing the anti-Trump vote and clearly had no chance, so good riddance. Cruz happily won't get the nomination either, but now Rubio voters can back him to stop Trump cleaning up all those delegates. This could lead to a brokered convention, and Kasich is likely to come up the victor if that does happen. He's not as bad as Cruz or Trump, and isn't being attacked like Rubio was.

It's slim, but it's the only chance we've got...

 

[Groningen]

Imagion; president Trump.