2024 Tube Stock (Siemens Inspiro London)

[100andthirty]

Do you mean me?

Well different nature of the line will require some tweaks and changes.

There will, no doubt, be adaptations but the overwhelming majority of components in a Bakerloo design will be the same as Piccadilly. The original configuration, for example. both lines having 113 m long trains, was done deliberately to enable standardisation of parts. It has been recognised that there are more sharp curves on the Bakerloo but the bogies will have been designed with this in mind. There might be different performance settings, different maps and different passenger information messages, but mostly software configuration files to be updated. If TfL is successful in exercising its option, I'm confident that the standardisation objective will be achieved.

 

[leytongabriel]

The combination of seats with less padding, smaller windows and door windows and lack of luggage space makes me think this is another case of tech specs first, passenger comfort and convenience last.

 

[birchesgreen]

Very nice moquette though.

 

[Recessio]

The combination of seats with less padding, smaller windows and door windows and lack of luggage space makes me think this is another case of tech specs first, passenger comfort and convenience last.

Surely the amount of re-engineering done just to enable air conditioning suggests this design actually has passenger comfort first?

I'd much rather be cool and have slightly less view...

 

[AM9]

Surely the amount of re-engineering done just to enable air conditioning suggests this design actually has passenger comfort first?

I'd much rather be cool and have slightly less view...

I was just posting a similar response. Maybe @leytongabriel would prefer to have windows the size of the 92 stock and no a/c. Passengers will then be able to appreciate the view from a mobile sauna.

 

[trebor79]

Yep. Given it's relatively rare to actually get a seat anyway, and most journeys are short duration, seat comfort isn't really important at all.

 

[Silent]

The combination of seats with less padding, smaller windows and door windows and lack of luggage space makes me think this is another case of tech specs first, passenger comfort and convenience last.

On social media some people comment that they actually want plastic seats because it's more hygienic. Personally I'm happy with moquette as it gives the tube some identity I think.

 

[Sorcerer]

On social media some people comment that they actually want plastic seats because it's more hygienic. Personally I'm happy with moquette as it gives the tube some identity I think.

More than that, are seats on the tube really the worst places when it comes to being unhygienic? I'd be more worried about grabbing the metal poles and handles when standing along with a plethora of other places where germs will be thriving over merely sitting on a public seat sat on by thousands of others before. I would even go as far as to suggest that hygienic seat concerns are merely a post-Covid thing and wouldn't have even been considered pre-2020.

 

[Thirteen]

Public transport is unhygienic in general, it's just something people have to deal with.

 

[AM9]

More than that, are seats on the tube really the worst places when it comes to being unhygienic? I'd be more worried about grabbing the metal poles and handles when standing along with a plethora of other places where germs will be thriving over merely sitting on a public seat sat on by thousands of others before. I would even go as far as to suggest that hygienic seat concerns are merely a post-Covid thing and wouldn't have even been considered pre-2020.

You are right that awareness of hygiene issues were raised during the pandemic, but anti-bacterial/viral hand lotions then became much more accessible and those concerned can easily carry a small bottle of such.
As an aside, whilst visiting Hong Kong some 25 years ago, I travelled much on the MTR, with its stainless steel longitudinal seats which if only partly occupied, meant that during hard acceleration/deceleration, it was necessary to restrain oneself from sliding along.

 

[Mikey C]

In the early days of Covid, everyone was worried about catching it through touching things, hence the amount of hand sanitiser we got through, but once it became clearer that you actually caught Covid in the air, I'm sure people in crowded trains are much more concerned about being jammed next to someone sniffling and coughing...

 

[Jamesrob637]

Geoff Marshall's video was a good insight into these new trains. Looking forward to testing them in a year or two.

 

[stuu]

On social media some people comment that they actually want plastic seats because it's more hygienic. Personally I'm happy with moquette as it gives the tube some identity I think.

Hygienic? The other passengers breathing on you is many orders of magnitude more likely to cause health issues

 

[Mojo]

For a long time now people have wished for London Underground to replace its moquette with plastic seats, seemingly with the mistaken belief that fabric seats are unhygienic, because other railways (primarily in the USA and elsewhere in Europe but also in Oriental countries). These miss many facts that make LU different, in that most trains are met by turnaround cleaners at the ends of the lines and arrangements can also be made for them to be met by cleaners or staff at other points should an issue be reported part way through a trip, most stations have visible staff to whom issues with train cleanliness can be reported, and that trains will be withdrawn from service en-route if they cannot be cleaned or an area continually monitored by staff.

 

[LUYMun]

On social media some people comment that they actually want plastic seats because it's more hygienic. Personally I'm happy with moquette as it gives the tube some identity I think.

I can't imagine that plastic seats would be more comfortable for travelling longer distances than moquette, such as from the ends of the Central or Metropolitan lines.

 

[jon81uk]

Hygienic? The other passengers breathing on you is many orders of magnitude more likely to cause health issues

Yep. Although bed bugs and fleas are more likely in upholstered seats, as you say are more likely to get a disease from the air.

 

[Basil Jet]

Allegedly they have red and green lights above the doors. I presume they mean on the inside, so that you know in advance which side the doors will open, and also if any of the end doors won't open on a short platform (if there are any short platforms on the lines in question).

 

[Trainbike46]

TfL seems pretty good on the cleaning front, and moquette is nicer to sit on (and to see!), so I'm very happy that moquette is continuing - I suspect that the people asking for plastic seats haven't actually travelled significantly in a place that has those (spoiler alert: it's worse, and more hygienic is not what I'd call the situation on those trains)

 

[Basil Jet]

Allegedly they have red and green lights above the doors. I presume they mean on the inside, so that you know in advance which side the doors will open, and also if any of the end doors won't open on a short platform (if there are any short platforms on the lines in question).

I meant to add, will these work on the approach to termini, where the doors might open on either side depending on which platform is used?

 

[Thirteen]

A Plastic seat in the height of summer would be drenched in sweat!

 

[Sorcerer]

I too am glad that moquette seats are still being opted for not only on the Underground but also on the Elizabeth Line. I have doubts that plastic is somehow more hygienic than moquette since you won't really be touching it anyway, and also because of the fact that it will get and appear dirtier much easier and ultimately negate any hygiene concerns. I know that Hong Kong's MTR is spotlessly clean, but part of that is because of it's no eating or drinking policy, a thing that I can't see being well accepted, adhered to, or enforced over here in the UK.

 

[Jamesrob637]

I too am glad that moquette seats are still being opted for not only on the Underground but also on the Elizabeth Line. I have doubts that plastic is somehow more hygienic than moquette since you won't really be touching it anyway, and also because of the fact that it will get and appear dirtier much easier and ultimately negate any hygiene concerns. I know that Hong Kong's MTR is spotlessly clean, but part of that is because of it's no eating or drinking policy, a thing that I can't see being well accepted, adhered to, or enforced over here in the UK.

Is water OK on the MTR?

 

[AM9]

Is water OK on the MTR?

I doubt there is a legal justification for drinking water to be carried by passengers of any rapid transit service in the world with the prospect of continually rising temperatures.

 

[RacsoMoquette]

One aspect of the design I vehemently despise is the awfulley tiny windows even when the Piccadilly Line is overground for a large portion of the line, also the exterior seems strangely wider, it is intresting that the increased width of the trains is more apparent than the increased width on the 2009TS.

 

[AM9]

One aspect of the design I vehemently despise is the awfulley tiny windows even when the Piccadilly Line is overground for a large portion of the line, also the exterior seems strangely wider, it is intresting that the increased width of the trains is more apparent than the increased width on the 2009TS.

That may be because the cars are shorter reducing the allowance for over/underswing on curves.

 

[43096]

One aspect of the design I vehemently despise is the awfulley tiny windows even when the Piccadilly Line is overground for a large portion of the line, also the exterior seems strangely wider, it is intresting that the increased width of the trains is more apparent than the increased width on the 2009TS.

Tiny windows - as discussed before - are apparently to allow air conditioning/cooling ducting.

 

[Rick1984]

Funnily there was a piece billed on ITV news about bedbugs on transport. Didn't see actual piece

 

[Basil Jet]

Allegedly they have red and green lights above the doors. I presume they mean on the inside, so that you know in advance which side the doors will open, and also if any of the end doors won't open on a short platform (if there are any short platforms on the lines in question). Will these work on the approach to termini, where the doors might open on either side depending on which platform is used?

Also, LU use air bags to lift derailed trains. I'm wondering if they will be strong enough to lift a bogie which is holding up one and a half carriages, as opposed to the half carriage which bogies hold now, or will the air bags have to be beefed up.

 

[AM9]

Also, LU use air bags to lift derailed trains. I'm wondering if they will be strong enough to lift a bogie which is holding up one and a half carriages, as opposed to the half carriage which bogies hold now, or will the air bags have to be beefed up.

My be the existing ones aren't, but acquiring new bags that do is a drop in the ocean compared with the cost of new stock, i.e. a non-issue. I doubt there's a scientific reason why they can't continue the practice.

 

[trebor79]

Also, LU use air bags to lift derailed trains. I'm wondering if they will be strong enough to lift a bogie which is holding up one and a half carriages, as opposed to the half carriage which bogies hold now, or will the air bags have to be beefed up.

The trains are lighter aren't they. Plus if you lift "one" bogie, you're going to be lifting the one next to it as well on current stock. I suspect it'll be fine.