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About to start driver training and not excited

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455driver

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Another thing which might be effecting you!

You have concentrated so hard on getting this far that it is all a bit of an anticlimax now, normally that sort of effort would be rewarded with a fanfare and all the other stuff that goes with it, but in this case all you get is an email.
 
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Another thing which might be effecting you!

You have concentrated so hard on getting this far that it is all a bit of an anticlimax now, normally that sort of effort would be rewarded with a fanfare and all the other stuff that goes with it, but in this case all you get is an email.

455s hit the nail on the head with this, glad I didn't seem to be the only one! I felt this but that's mostly because it doesn't sink it straight away even after getting the email/letter formally offering you the position! When you start it does though and that smile takes some wiping believe me! You obviously want it so please stick with it!
 
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Rookie if you were to be a TL driver the roster goes around in a three week cycle,
mon, Tuesday off, Wednesday to Tuesday lates Wednesday Thursday off Friday to Thursday earlies. Sunday's are optional.
The most nights you would do would be 7, 6 if you take the Sunday off.
 
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Well Rookie, you've come to the right place for some sound advice. I found the forum invaluable throughout my application process.
I must say though, having read your initial post, my first thought was that having been going through this process for two years now why are you only asking this question after having received the offer?
This is a question you must have answered at the interview surely.
Having said that I understand your concerns having been through it myself.
Bottom line - the training will be hard but fun.
The shift work will be challenging at first but the pro's more than outweigh the cons in my opinion (as mentioned by previous posters).
I have never spent so much time at home spending quality time with my family then I have since joining the railway.
Oh and by the way.... the money is great!
So don't worry, you will be joining a whole bunch of trainees in the same position.
Go for it.
 

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Hi all, for a 4 day week generally how long would the duties be and how long are the breaks? Also do drivers get paid shift allowance for working insociable hours or it's already been factored into the pay packet. Thank you.
 

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Hi all, for a 4 day week generally how long would the duties be and how long are the breaks? Also do drivers get paid shift allowance for working insociable hours or it's already been factored into the pay packet. Thank you.


It depends, it depends, no and yes.
 

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Rostering has many many caveats and is extremely convoluted. Personally I wouldn't worry so much as each TOC runs to its own conditions.

Speak to your Local Rep who will be able to give you a break down as to what restrictions go into each diagram an the plethora of rostering constraints.

Rostering
SP Turn movement
12hrs between shifts
32hr from late fri to early monday
Establishment levels
# Links
# depot diagrams (linked to establishment)
# Shifts (late, early, middles etc.)
SP %
Cover requirements
Traction requirements
Route Requirements

Diagrams
Max turn length
Min turn length
Time in the chair
Time before first break
Minimum PNB
Walking times
Prep and disposal times
Shunt times

And many more I suspect.


As to Pay. That is also very dependent on your TOC. Sundays, as an example, differ greatly. Some are inside, some are out. Some get a small payment some get diddly squat. <(
 

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Perfectly understandable to feel anxious about your new job. I did just before I started mine, for the same reasons. Also, I changed companies a while back and was really agonising over the decision - will I like the work etc. Similar feelings!


Some depots have progressive links (rotas), where the junior drivers start in the lowest link with the worst work. Some have different links but are non-progressive - a bit of good and bad in each. Some depots just have one big link with everything in it.

Nights. I used to work at a depot with nights about every six weeks. Most of the work on nights was on the maintenance depot moving trains around. There was a bit of 'dead time' in the middle which was good for a bit of rest.
That depot has depot drivers now so nights isn't so often. The most frequent nights I know of on passenger work is at Bristol on the High Speed links, and Eurostar believe it or not, again because of moving trains around the depots.
Freight is a lot of unsocial hours - container trains are probably the least worst.

Where I work now has nights about every ten weeks. The most nights in a row would be five. It's a four day week but Sundays are in addition, so the Monday to Thursday with Sunday at the beginning would be longest run. Otherwise it's two, three, or four in a row unless you work your rest days. Some people really like nights. At every depot I've worked at people have swapped to do them - particularly if they live a couple of stops down the line - they can come to work by train on the last train, and catch one of the first back. Also, if they've swapped to nights a couple of weeks in a row then they can catch an extra Sunday or Rest Day and earn extra. This is quite common with people who like nights.
London Underground tend to have seven night shifts in a row followed by a week with more rest days in. There's fewer weeks of nights in the roster that way, you get them over and done with in one long week.

Whilst working shifts can be very tiring sometimes, there are times when it's brilliant. Seeing your kids school plays and sports days can be possible if your start/finish time is right. Or you might have that day off in the week.


It's a good job. It isn't for everyone of course, but if you've been trying to get it for this long, I think your anxiety will soon subside. Enjoy your training!
 

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Come on in, the water is lovely!!!

Everyone has a moment of self doubt at some time during the training. You may as well get yours out of the way now! :D:D

You're about to enter a unique world. Worry not. You will be with a group of others, who are in exactly the same position. Those that are there to train you are well used to people feeling as you do now.

Please note all the positives about shift working, as listed above. It's fantastic if you have a family. I would never go back to working office hours. Some suggestions to help you adjust - keep your mealtimes as regular as you can,
try and avoid eating junk (sometimes the McD's breakfast cannot be resisted) and stay off caffeine.

Enjoy!!
 

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hi mate

it's only natural to be nervous!! from the sound of it you are coming off the street into a completely new industry to a role with VAST responsibility and haven't worked shifts/unsociable hours before! I'd be nervous!

but like someone said earlier I'd be asking myself how i hadn't had these concerns long before they offered me a position!?

as many people have said above you have been given an opportunity people would give away their scented mothers for! that's because it's a fantastic position with numerous perks that in my opinion outweigh ANY negatives that there are however do not be fooled, shift work, especially railway shift work takes it's toll.......remember you are eating when you should be sleeping and you are sleeping when you should be awake etc.

but i do think most people on here who are in a driving grade who have young families will tell you the job/industry gives them a good standard of living when you take into account the salary and time off that is on offer!.......but you will have to make sacrifices!..........every friday and saturday down the boozer won't be happening..........there will be weeks (lates and nights for example) when you and your partner/kids will be like ships in the night!...............spending EVERY weekend with the family won't happen unless you manage to get shift swaps but i don't know anyone that's manages to do this job monday to friday after 7 years in the industry.

I'd say be nervous mate! it's healthy!......but I'd also be realistic! lets be honest as much as we all say we wouldn't do anything else the job/industry as a package is not something everyone can do for one reason or another!..........you've probably already done it but my advice is show the points that people have made on here to your partner and make a joint decision as it's a job that does affect more than you it will affect the family as well!......the last thing you want to do is get started and find out you've wasted your own and the companies time and their money!..........I SAY GO FOR IT PERSONALLY!
 
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I think it is natural to be apprehensive - I know I am and I start in January after 27 years of one career where I became a Senior Manager and generally got the time off I needed and a decent wage but got fed up of working well above my hours for no reward.

I'm looking forward to the change with massive apprehension about learning again, especially as most will probably be 20 years younger than me but I took the decision and will listen, ask those stupid questions and make sure I pass to enjoy a new career.

I think the day I leave my old job will really hit home as it is the day before I start the new one!
 

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You will find there is a point in your training where you just wonder what the hell is the point and what on earth are you doing, happened to me, happened to everyone on my course.
Once you get out there and driver your first few trains under instruction and you start getting the hang of it you'll love it. Yes the shifts can be nasty (I'm on freight and they can be a killer) but you learn to just get on with it. Yes you'll miss events etc now and again but then you get a fair amount of time off as well. I work a 4 day 35hour contract and get paid double what my friends do slogging their guts off in offices all week etc. I went from shifts on stations to pretty much 9-5 work and I hated it! Most days it's the best office in the world for me.
 

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Hello.

I felt I had to come on here and share my feelings about being offered a trainee driver contract. I was hoping to hear from anyone who may have felt the same way before starting a railway career.

To give some background, I've been in the application process a couple of years and have finally been given a start date. Like everyone else, I've worked hard to get to this point and naturally (judging by this forum) this should be a very exciting time for me. However, after initial joy, since I returned my signed contract I've felt nothing but apprehension and fear.

I'm hoping this is mainly because it's a career change out of my comfort zone and that'll I enjoy the course once I get started. I'm confident I'll be able to pass the course and that I'll enjoy the driving. However, not knowing the roster patterns, and in particular, how many nights I'll have to work is eating away at me. I'm assuming the newest qualified drivers will get the worst routes and timetables? I'm hoping they'll bed us in gently. Can anyone shed any light on this?

I don't have any experience of working nights and I'm concerned what effect this will have on me and my young family life. Will I be operating like a Zombie? or is there enough rest to feel normal again before the shift pattern changes? Out of interest, what's the most consecutive number of nights a TOC can put you on? The 'earlies' and 'lates' don't concern me.

I don't want to appear ungrateful at been given this great opportunity but I'm leaving what people might think as being a good career with good work life balance. Which it may be but after 20 years I'm bored (of the work) and looking for a change and a career to potentially take me to retirement age.

I'm trying to convince myself that if things don't work out I can return to what I was doing previously, which is true to a certain extent. Mostly though, I don't want to regret not giving the drivers job a go but I'm worried if I leave during training (or shortly afterwards) I'll never be offered another driving job in any TOC.

I hope you appreciate I can't go into specifics but would be very interested to hear some feedback, advice and reassurance (perhaps)?

Thanks for reading and hope you all have a good Christmas.

Hi Rookie, I was just wondering how things are going now?. Have you started your training yet, and if so, how is it going?. Do you still have any of the same concerns that you initially had, or have you changed your opinion now that you have found out a bit more about the job ?
 

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Don't be put of by the roster patterns and shift work. You can almost 100% of the time get what ever day you need off to attend that school play, parents evening etc. Providing you have a bit of notice by either finding someone to do a mutual exchange of duties or asking a DSM if he/she can move a rest day for you. And you also have AD-HOC days to use if you're desperate. You will always find people at your depot who prefer early/late turns and who I'll bite your arm off to swap. Best of luck.
 

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As the OP hasn't bothered to log in since December 21st (after joining on the 20th to have a moan) I don't expect you will get a reply!
 
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Just another self centred individual without any manners!

Or a worried one.

I still remember my first day and that was many years ago. I was never excited about joining the railway and certainly suffered from what the OP went through.

A PM might send him an email to prompt him to reply.


ps. I find many on this forum a little self centered and without manners (not you)
 

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A PM might send him an email to prompt him to reply.

Thanks, I did try but receive the following message when trying to send:

'rookie has chosen not to receive private messages or may not be allowed to receive private messages. Therefore you may not send your message to him/her.'

I think he has made the required number of posts (7) to be able to receive PM's if he wants to, so I guess I'll just have to respect his privacy and accept that I (and anybody else who was interested in this post) will not find out how things turned out, and if any of his fears were allayed once the training started.

Maybe there are others out there who have had similar concerns who are willing to share with the forum their experience and if those concerns remained after thay started in the role ?
 
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