Abysmal pay

[387star]

What do you make of this


Company confidential

Night Train Cleaner.

Job description

Our client, a major rail operator, are seeking an experienced and competent night cleaner to join their teams based in Fratton Traincare Depot. You will be working permanent nights, from 2200 - 0600 and will be working 5 out of 7 shifts per week.

You must have a driving licence, previous cleaning experience, ideally gained in an industrial environment, be prepared to work nights on a permanent basis and be a real team player.
Or, tell us why you don't wish to apply for this job.

Job summary
Job ID
3807330
Posting Date
14/04/2014
Location
UK-Southern-Southsea
Industries
Staffing/employment agencies
Job type
Full time
Years of experience
Less than 1 year
Salary
6.70 - 6.70 per hour
Hours of Work
Shift work
Application methods

 

[PermitToTravel]

I wonder which major rail operator this could possibly be! How unfortunate that they're keeping it a secret.

 

[steamybrian]

A job is better than ..no job.

 

[Tim R-T-C]

To be fair to the TOC, this job seems to be an agency position, they would likely pay a set contract rate to the agency who use that money to hire multiple staff at a wage of their choice.

 

[Darandio]

A job is better than ..no job.

That is seriously going to depend on circumstances with that wage on permanent nights.

 

[heart-of-wessex]

I wonder which major rail operator this could possibly be! How unfortunate that they're keeping it a secret.

Well it's so obvious, it must be Grand Central

 

[gazthomas]

Really bad

 

[LateThanNever]

That is seriously going to depend on circumstances with that wage on permanent nights.

Quite - permanent nights is probably health damaging and it looks as tho' it's a five day rolling week - so even weekends are worked. You would have thought they could get a better standard by adjusting shifts - but perhaps standards are not measured...

 

[507 001]

Don't think the cleaners metrolink use are on much more than that....

 

[gazthomas]

Shocking

 

[Jones]

Y2014/30 Train Presentation Operative Blackpool (Nights)

Salary £14,650 per annum plus nightshift allowance



Seems all cleaner vacancies are paid poorly.

 

[Darandio]

Y2014/30 Train Presentation Operative Blackpool (Nights)

Salary £14,650 per annum plus nightshift allowance



Seems all cleaner vacancies are paid poorly.

Indeed, but I'd imagine that the cost of living is lower in Blackpool than where the original vacancy was so it may be more bearable.

The Blackpool one also mentions an allowance for working nights, the other one doesn't.

 

[fowler9]

A job is better than ..no job.

Eight hour shifts on permanent nights 5 days a week on just over minimum wage for experienced staff with a driving license. The "A job is better than no job" attitude is exactly how employers are getting away with it. Disgraceful.

 

[heart-of-wessex]

Y2014/30 Train Presentation Operative Blackpool (Nights)

Salary £14,650 per annum plus nightshift allowance



Seems all cleaner vacancies are paid poorly.

A bit more than I'm on at the moment (I do around 30-37 hours a week, Only just tips over £1,000 per month before tax)

 

[fowler9]

To be fair to the TOC, this job seems to be an agency position, they would likely pay a set contract rate to the agency who use that money to hire multiple staff at a wage of their choice.

The TOC is probably paying the agency twice that. This is only speculation to be fair but I know what the agency got paid for a recent job I had and it was about twice my wage.
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A bit more than I'm on at the moment (I do around 30-37 hours a week, Only just tips over £1,000 per month before tax)

Being more than you are on doesn't make it right though.

 

[richw]

The TOC is probably paying the agency twice that. This is only speculation to be fair but I know what the agency got paid for a recent job I had and it was about twice my wage.

I know from experience paying an agency is around twice the rate you'd pay the employee directly, however it may come cheaper for the business if they want someone short term, but for long term there is no benefit to the business.

Y2014/30 Train Presentation Operative Blackpool (Nights)

Salary £14,650 per annum plus nightshift allowance



Seems all cleaner vacancies are paid poorly.

This works out about £7.50 an hour (37.5 hour week) plus whatever the night shift allowance is, so probably takes them over £8 an hour with the night allowance, sounds a decent figure for a cleaner, who let's face it in most employments will be getting minimum wage of £6.50.

Regarding the op despite saying employer confidential, which TOC has a depot at Southsea then, as says location Southsea?

 

[PermitToTravel]

Regarding the op despite saying employer confidential, which TOC has a depot at Southsea then, as says location Southsea?

It goes one better and says that it's Fratton depot

 

[fowler9]

Cheers for that richw. Glad I wasn't imagining things. Ha ha. The job I had that I was talking about was very short term, sick leave cover, so I could imagine how it might be cheaper. I can't work out some employers who use temps long term though, and I know of a good number in Liverpool, including the the government and council. Surely long term the costs of paying more money for a worker can't out weigh the cost of doing your own recruitment and any severance pay. Surely they can just keep offering short term contracts (Which I am not a fan of either).

 

[Beveridges]

Night Train Cleaner.

Job description

Our client, a major rail operator, are seeking an experienced and competent night cleaner to join their teams based in Fratton Traincare Depot. You will be working permanent nights, from 2200 - 0600 and will be working 5 out of 7 shifts per week.

You must have a driving licence, previous cleaning experience, ideally gained in an industrial environment, be prepared to work nights on a permanent basis and be a real team player.
Or, tell us why you don't wish to apply for this job.

The criteria suggests that this is not even an entry level job as well!

"previous cleaning experience, ideally gained in an industrial environment, be prepared to work nights on a permanent basis and be a real team player"

Cleaning jobs have such cr@p money and shifts that anyone should be able to apply for them and do them.

With criteria such as this, even I would be rejected if I went for it! (Not that I would)

Y2014/30 Train Presentation Operative Blackpool (Nights)

Salary £14,650 per annum plus nightshift allowance

Yes but what appeals to some people about the Northern jobs is the full sick pay and if you know how to abuse the sickness system there's a lot of money to be made for doing nothing.

 

[387star]

If I'm not mistaken southern pays its night train presentation team at bognor/littlehampton somewhere in the region of 20k if not more hence my surprise

 

[Jones]

This works out about £7.50 an hour (37.5 hour week) plus whatever the night shift allowance is, so probably takes them over £8 an hour with the night allowance, sounds a decent figure for a cleaner, who let's face it in most employments will be getting minimum wage of £6.50.

But given that they provide prepared rolling stock and are responsible for the customer perception of a TOC, £8ph seems low given it's night work.

Seems to me that nearly every other TOC position is paid a reasonable salary..

 

[Beveridges]

Seems to me that nearly every other TOC position is paid a reasonable salary..

Try gateline.

 

[185]

Y2014/30 Train Presentation Operative Blackpool (Nights)

Salary £14,650 per annum plus nightshift allowance

Seems all cleaner vacancies are paid poorly.

In fairness to Kommunist Rail, at least up north, they have the ****s to employ their own staff with travel benefits and pension rights.

Shame on trashy Stage(confidential)th West Trains for using some two bit trashy contractor.

 

[TDK]

Eight hour shifts on permanent nights 5 days a week on just over minimum wage for experienced staff with a driving license. The "A job is better than no job" attitude is exactly how employers are getting away with it. Disgraceful.

There will some train spotter somewhere who will be well up for the job

 

[richw]

There will some train spotter somewhere who will be well up for the job

This reminds me of that David Walliams/ Matt Lucas airport based comedy a few years ago, where one of the characters was a dim lad wanting to be a pilot, who thought working in the airport burger bar would help him up the career ladder to be a pilot.

 

[northern156]

This reminds me of that David Walliams/ Matt Lucas airport based comedy a few years ago, where one of the characters was a dim lad wanting to be a pilot, who thought working in the airport burger bar would help him up the career ladder to be a pilot.

http://youtu.be/sVe9zjO6-O8

 

[Blindtraveler]

Theres a lot to be said about this, given that the biggest and seamingly unsolvable in most cases complaint about trains is clenlyness. If a major London Commuter TOC is carrying on like this then there iether not bothered about it or are expecting too much for to little.

 

[455driver]

So everyone knows the job is for SWT do they?
Dont FGW have a small depot at Fratton?
Who does the cleaning on their trains that stable at Fratton then?

Cleaners on SWT are on rubbish money though!

 

[heart-of-wessex]

So everyone knows the job is for SWT do they?
Dont FGW have a small depot at Fratton?
Who does the cleaning on their trains that stable at Fratton then?

Cleaners on SWT are on rubbish money though!

I suppose you'd mainly do SWT, If I remember rightly there's only around 2 or 3 FGW units stabling there? Thinking about it, they probably go to the sidings next to Fratton station left untouched, not 100% sure on that

 

[PermitToTravel]

I was under the (possibly mistaken) impression that the building called "Fratton Traincare Depot" is SWT's