To be honest, I’d say it is a crisis. But not for the same reasons Farage and his devoted followers think.Farage still moaning about a migrant crisis that doesn't exist? Grift channel for people who aren't interested in impartial news and just want their views cemented.
Yes, I agree. The dehumanisation of them is appalling and considered ‘woke’ if any sympathy is shown. But I hopefully it’s just a vocal minority with those abhorrent views.Only a crisis to the poor folk struggling in the boats. But I largely agree.
Agreed. The challenge for Britain is how to both ensure their safety (and discourage crossings) and process them in line with the law. A lot of Farage's mob don't want either.Only a crisis to the poor folk struggling in the boats.
Farage still moaning about a migrant crisis that doesn't exist? Grift channel for people who aren't interested in impartial news and just want their views cemented.
To be honest, I’d say it is a crisis. But not for the same reasons Farage and his devoted followers think.
I’d say Farage’s comments about the RNLI were unforgivable, but thankfully it has led to a surge of donations, rather than a ‘defunding’ as was hoped by the far right.
It’s a shame GB News have stooped so low to get Farage on, someone who is certainly closer to the far right than the centre right.
If Farage cared properly, he'd demand we stop screwing over the Middle East and improve quality of life in the war-torn countries that has forced refugees to embark on this dangerous journey in the first place. But he won't, whether on his show or on Twitter, because he's either not intelligent enough, or more likely in this case, he'd rather the crisis keep happening so he can keep shouting about it for the sake of his base popularity and ego.Only a crisis to the poor folk struggling in the boats. But I largely agree.
If Farage cared properly, he'd demand we stop screwing over the Middle East and improve quality of life in the war-torn countries that has forced refugees to embark on this dangerous journey in the first place. But he won't, whether on his show or on Twitter, because he's either not intelligent enough, or more likely in this case, he'd rather the crisis keep happening so he can keep shouting about it for the sake of his base popularity and ego.
First query Surely the attraction of the UK is our native use of English, and that is seen as a key asset when they try moving on to the US?While I kinda agree that improving quality of life in war-torn countries is important and is something we should be focusing on, how does the quality of life in the Middle East force a refugee who is already located in France to make a perilous journey across the English Channel? Also, I'm not clear in what manner we are allegedly still screwing over the Middle East?
Plenty of reasons. The fact we speak the international language of English, existing family links, the belief that they will be safer and have a better quality of life here.While I kinda agree that improving quality of life in war-torn countries is important and is something we should be focusing on, how does the quality of life in the Middle East force a refugee who is already located in France to make a perilous journey across the English Channel?
Farage has a lot of unpleasant fellow-travellers. Problem is, none of the political solutions that would alleviate the border crossings would be amenable to him.I don't understand the vitriol towards Farage. What is so bad about wanting borders enforced and legal entry being the only option? The current situation only encourages more and more to make the same dangerous voyage whilst people traffickers get rich. It also means there is no vetting process to make sure we are letting in those who are most at need and don't pose a danger.
The RNLI should be there to assist those who come to grief by way of a genuine accident. Not to routinely assist people traffickers.
I feel as though the outraged are only so because "Farage bad" and they are simply the compassionate/good ones. I see little compassion in encouraging the illegal route.
Even if you agree with him, surly you understand why many don't?I don't understand the vitriol towards Farage.
How do they determine what is a "genuine accident" and when they are "assisting people traffickers"? Should the RNLI really be having to make those decisions or shouldn't we be asking better from our politicians to ensure that the RNLI only have to deal with emergencies?The RNLI should be there to assist those who come to grief by way of a genuine accident. Not to routinely assist people traffickers.
I agree entirely. We can't start expecting the emergency services to be selective, because at some point they'll get it wrong.How do they determine what is a "genuine accident" and when they are "assisting people traffickers"? Should the RNLI really be having to make those decisions or shouldn't we be asking better from our politicians to ensure that the RNLI only have to deal with emergencies?
It's always feels like blaming the RNLI for saving lives is rather blaming the wrong party. Surely Border Force and the UK Government are the problem here either directly or by not working harder with or, if necessary, to persuade the French to help?
I dunno, there are some people (including a few on this forum i bet) who probably think that is a good ideaJust imagine if the fire brigade let houses burn unless the people in them produced a valid passport...
Sad isn't it.I dunno, there are some people (including a few on this forum i bet) who probably think that is a good idea
Being a refugee - aylum seeker and crossing international borders is LEGAL under international law , even if Pritti Patel or Farage say otherwise .I don't understand the vitriol towards Farage. What is so bad about wanting borders enforced and legal entry being the only option?
Even crossing the border from a country in which you could seek asylum to another country?Being a refugee - aylum seeker and crossing international borders is LEGAL under international law , even if Pritti Patel or Farage say otherwise .
Yes. There is no requirement to apply for asylum in the first safe country you reach.Even crossing the border from a country in which you could seek asylum to another country?
Yes. The relevant international law - the Convention Relating to the Status of Refugees, 1951 - imposes no requirement, either explicitly or implicitly, that a refugee claim asylum in the first "safe" country they reach.Even crossing the border from a country in which you could seek asylum to another country?
How do they determine what is a "genuine accident" and when they are "assisting people traffickers"? Should the RNLI really be having to make those decisions or shouldn't we be asking better from our politicians to ensure that the RNLI only have to deal with emergencies?
It's always feels like blaming the RNLI for saving lives is rather blaming the wrong party. Surely Border Force and the UK Government are the problem here either directly or by not working harder with or, if necessary, to persuade the French to help?
I gave £20 to the RNLI as a one off because I was so disgusted at the level of criticism.Agree with sentiment on RNLI his comments on them were abhorrent. As if a charity should decide who gets to live or die at sea. It is very much the responsibility of governments to police borders, the RNLI are funded by donations to save lives at sea and long may they continue. This whole thing has made me double my monthly contribution to ensure they don't suffer from the negative press.
Interesting that you use the word ‘genuine’. How is an overloaded unseaworthy dingy in huge danger of capsizing in the North Sea not a ‘genuine’ incident? It doesn’t matter why that dingy is there, the people need rescuing.The RNLI should be there to assist those who come to grief by way of a genuine accident. Not to routinely assist people traffickers.
Because they regard some lives as being worth a lot less than others of course. I'll let others judge why.Interesting that you use the word ‘genuine’. How is an overloaded unseaworthy dingy in huge danger of capsizing in the North Sea not a ‘genuine’ incident? It doesn’t matter why that dingy is there, the people need rescuing.
I never thought an organisation like the RNLI would be dragged into a pathetic ‘culture war’
The problem for the RNLI is that they have finite resources and sooner or later they are going to have to choose between assisting a boatful of refugees/ asylum seekers / economic migrants and professional seafarers and their passengers. Not a decision I'd want to have to make.Interesting that you use the word ‘genuine’. How is an overloaded unseaworthy dingy in huge danger of capsizing in the North Sea not a ‘genuine’ incident? It doesn’t matter why that dingy is there, the people need rescuing.
Would a group of British teenagers messing about in the sea in a dangerous dingy, who accidentally get swept out in the current not be a genuine incident?
The RNLI rescue anyone is in danger. It would be completely foolish to begin judging who should be rescued or not. If people are frustrated with it, they should take it up with the Government or Border Force. NOT the RNLI.
I never thought an organisation like the RNLI would be dragged into a pathetic ‘culture war’
Plenty of reasons. The fact we speak the international language of English, existing family links, the belief that they will be safer and have a better quality of life here.
If they have already risked their lives and deserted their country which must be traumatic, I can certainly understand why they will want to try and get to a country they consider the best for the chance of a new life.