Bakerloo Line extension to Watford Junction.

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  1. Mag_seven

    Mag_seven Established Member

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    In my experience most LO services from Watford empty out at Queens park with the passengers continuing their journeys to central London via the Bakerloo line.
     
  2. matt_world2004

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    Had a tfl contractor card not valid on london midland and I took the overground into London from Watford many times.
     
  3. LU_timetabler

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    Well don't know about contractors, but standard TfL staff travel passes are valid Watford Jcn to Euston, or any part thereof, since the (Oyster) computer system can't tell which train you have been on.
     
  4. LU_timetabler

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    I'd say it is about 50/50 in the morning rush at Queen's Park, as to who stays on and who changes to Bakerloo.
     
  5. matt_world2004

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    Contractor passes . freedom passes and bus operator passes are not valid on London Midland services to wfj.staff passes were valid on the services to watford junction before overground existed

    Contractor cards/freedom passes and bus operator passes use the same technology as oyster.
     
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  6. Bletchleyite

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    I often arrive at Euston on the 0713 from Bletchley, a LO arrives at the same time, and pours out a huge passenger load.
     
  7. Mutant Lemming

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    Staff passes only used to be valid Queens Park to Watford Junction but a reciprocal arrangement allowing mainline staff to travel free on the Bakerloo between Queens Park and Paddington changed that
     
  8. simple simon

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    I like what you suggested.

    But with both an enhanced Euston - Watford service and Bakerloos too extending the ELL trains all the way to Watford would be too much (over provision). Far better perhaps for the ELL's to only go as far as Willesden Junction.

    This would have worked better had there still been two terminating bay tracks at Willesden Junction. But now that there is only one so only one of the ELL services could terminate here. Although it would require the use of a siding the other ELL service would have to terminate at Primrose Hill. Making it possible to reverse trains here would also offer better resilience in case of delays on the Euston-Watford route.
     
  9. BS56

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    Another problem sending the Bakerloo back to Watford junction might be the signalling. As I recall when the line was re-signalled in 1988 the train stops were removed north of Harrow & Wealdstone BR trains used the new AWS which had been installed. So they would have to retro fit all new train stops along the route ( Not sure what is being installed on the Lewisham extension ) Plus extra signals will be needed as the stations are further apart.
    The cost for this would be very high so is unlikely to happen . TFL will very likely wait until they can afford new stock ( Not anytime soon ) and they will be fitted with a new system of signalling . The whole route then will need to be re-signalled which would be a good time to go back to Watford junction.
     
  10. edwin_m

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    They would need new stock anyway. There aren't anough trains in the existing fleet to extend to Lewisham let alone a longer extension to Watford.
     
  11. bionic

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    Nothing is "being installed on the Lewisham extension" because it's only a proposal.

    It's puzzling that people seem to think it's a done deal.
     
  12. BS56

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    I must admit I have not being keeping up with events on the proposed Lewisham extension but the type of signalling they will use is something that will need to be added to the overall cost as most of the current signalling between elephant & castle and Queens park is very likely nearing the end of its working life anyway it will be interesting to see what they come up !
     
  13. Railguy1

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    I don't believe there is real demand to make this worthwhile to do. In particular, when HS2 phase 1 is complete, it is likely the WCML will have more services stop at Watford/Bushey. This makes a potential tube line even less attractive. I can't see it ever happening to be honest.
     
  14. philthetube

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    If it needed more trains it would be much easier to increase the overground service, and as they are both organised by the same lot, TFL, I am sure that would be what happened.
     

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