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Given his reaction, whether he had a ticket or not, he could be asked to leave under NRCOC 58 for unacceptable conduct.
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'Big man' vs Sam Main incident (final decision: no charges for either)
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ralphchadkirk
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Erm, that isn't him in the video. We haven't seen any more of him so he could still have the facial injuries.
It's the guy who filmed it who was on BBC News this morning.
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I'd be very surprised if this guy's behaviour was a result of any form of illness, far more likely I would think that he is just an unpleasant little gobsh*te who got has been royally caught out playing up when he thought he would get away with it, as he probably has done many times before, and is now trying to manipulate the situation to make others look guilty. How very sad that the media have seen fit to invite him to offer his, ahem, 'thoughts' on the subject and so gifted him a degree of misplaced status which he is no doubt revelling in :roll:
Having said that, I wouldn't particularly want to be the Guard right now if I'm honest. He is clearly shown on film authorising the 'big guy' to eject another passenger against his will, something which nobody concerned had any right to do or to request. Whilst it is gratifying to see a little scroat getting a taste of rough justice for once, this form of vigilante behaviour is not something which the railway encourages it's staff to condone, and I'd imagine some questions have been asked here. I'd also doubt very much that it is Scotrail policy to delay a train for ten minutes over a ticket dispute, a mentality which most TOC's are trying very hard to eradicate. I hope our colleague comes away from this with nothing more serious than the suggested use of better judgement in future, but I can imagine he might be regretting his actions at the moment
Having said that, I wouldn't particularly want to be the Guard right now if I'm honest. He is clearly shown on film authorising the 'big guy' to eject another passenger against his will, something which nobody concerned had any right to do or to request. Whilst it is gratifying to see a little scroat getting a taste of rough justice for once, this form of vigilante behaviour is not something which the railway encourages it's staff to condone, and I'd imagine some questions have been asked here. I'd also doubt very much that it is Scotrail policy to delay a train for ten minutes over a ticket dispute, a mentality which most TOC's are trying very hard to eradicate. I hope our colleague comes away from this with nothing more serious than the suggested use of better judgement in future, but I can imagine he might be regretting his actions at the moment
anthony263
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Surprised we haven't heard any comments from Christian Wolmar etc yet.
At the moment I am supporting the conducter and the person who threw this brat off the train, however I am may change my mind if more evidence comes out supporting this young person.
Maybe the bloke who threw him off was using a bit too much foce but if he was causing problems even before the footage was filmed then suspect there were more people who would have wanted to throw him off.
At the moment I am supporting the conducter and the person who threw this brat off the train, however I am may change my mind if more evidence comes out supporting this young person.
Maybe the bloke who threw him off was using a bit too much foce but if he was causing problems even before the footage was filmed then suspect there were more people who would have wanted to throw him off.
Well this was his comment on Facebook "theres a video ae me on youtube hahahahaha! Scotrail no ticket
"All seems to a bit of a laf to him and his mates. :roll:
Apparently a complaint has been made to BTP about the incident -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-16177725
I think this will almost certainly lead to an arrest, I hope no charges are bought. I also hope the guard secures decent representation just in case he gets drawn into it.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-16177725
I think this will almost certainly lead to an arrest, I hope no charges are bought. I also hope the guard secures decent representation just in case he gets drawn into it.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-16177725
A complaint has been made to police against the person who threw the guy off.
A complaint has been made to police against the person who threw the guy off.
DarkestDreams
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I read somewhere that he wasn't allowed to get his bag off the train with his wallet, phone and diabetes(?) medication in it, which if true, is very bad conduct.
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On the news they said "He tried to get back on the train to get his bag, not realising it had already been thrown onto the platform."
Someone can be seen chucking his bag onto the platform on the video.
Why should no charges be brought?
While in no way condoning the language used by the student, if what he says about his tickets is true (and the part about the singles being cheaper certainly stacks up), then the only reason for him being ejected from the train is "he was a bit lippy".
And frankly, I've seen conductors put up with worse from passengers on stag and hen nights, or going to/from football matches.
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Out of interest if he is diabetic why was he drinking in the first place? Anyone who knows anything about diabetes knows that is a bad idea.
Common myth. Having diabetes doesn't immediately make alcohol off-limits.
ralphchadkirk
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It's fine to drink alcohol if you are careful about it.
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No your quite right it doesn't. But large quantities will not be good for blood sugar levels.
Indeed, but where's the suggestion that he had consumed "large quantities"?
ralphchadkirk
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It depends on your exact condition. Some can drink normally, some can't touch a drop.
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I was just pointing out that alcohol and diabetes isn't a great mix. Lowering of the blood sugar levels could mean that it had an adverse affect on his behaviour. If this has been a problem in the past then the guy should know better. Anyway I have no sympathy for the guy. The amount of times I have been sworn at by fare evaders I can't even recall. Guy sounds like he has 'selective memory problems' if you ask me. Like most complaints seem to be these days.
Yep at Heriot-Watt University never heard of that one before so I assume its one of the newer university's.
You, like so many others, are assuming it's a clear-cut case of fare evasion.
An entirely plausible explanation has been offered as to why he didn't have a valid ticket. And if true, then while technically he is a "fare evader", he has still paid.
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It was granted a Royal Charter in 1966...
DaveNewcastle
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Yes it is new, a mere 125 years old and a University for a fleeting 45 years.
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And why the hell should we?
Ok more of a 'Plate glass university' then.
telstarbox
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Did I say you should?
My point was that if the ticket story is completely true, then the student is guilty of nothing more than "being a bit lippy". So if that's now grounds to throw someone off a train, I look forward to seeing it being applied to the aforementioned groups.
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If he is diabetic, he was VERY unlikely to have been having a hypo (which can affect behaviour) if he was drinking, as the sugar in alcohol would have raised his blood sugar level. While long-term this can be bad, short-term it would not have had any side effects that would have accounted for his behaviour (apart from the obvious drunkenness).
Whatever spin he tries to put on it, he was an abusive fare-dodger who is now trying to paint himself as a victim, and he brought the whole situation on himself, including any injuries he suffered.
He'll be claiming he's an asian wheelchair user next! (At least Scotrail seem to have more balls sticking up for their staff than Northern had dealing with that incident)
Whatever spin he tries to put on it, he was an abusive fare-dodger who is now trying to paint himself as a victim, and he brought the whole situation on himself, including any injuries he suffered.
He'll be claiming he's an asian wheelchair user next! (At least Scotrail seem to have more balls sticking up for their staff than Northern had dealing with that incident)
As I said, he has a plausible and easily-verifiable story regarding his tickets which, if true, doesn't make him a fare-dodger.
People are trying to make this far too black and white.
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