That's surprising. The letter gave the impression it was being phased out.
Do you know how much it would have cost by then ?
Incidentally, this will probably make you all sick, but some of us are fortunate to have such a pass. However I use mine almost exclusively for St Albans to London and nothing else.
One day I'll check my old Modern Railways, and find out. Thinking about it, it may even have been in the GBTT back then.
Incidentally, this will probably make you all sick, but some of us are fortunate to have such a pass. However I use mine almost exclusively for St Albans to London and nothing else.
A Berwick upon Tweed to London annual season does exist, with first class being £37760
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Subject to the restrictions shown below, the All Line Rail Rover (7 day) ticket allows unlimited travel on most National Rail services for 7 consecutive days.
It does not include the charge for seat reservations, where payable.
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lol The current all line rovers appear to be either 7 days or 14 days long. The standard class one is £492 for an adult (no rail cards), times by 52 to get the cost for a year £25,584 and the 1st class one is £38,740 so for arond a grand more someone could get an all line rover instead of one for a single route.
How would they do so, out of interest ? would they pass it around between different people to collect cars ? I would have thought a photocard would sort out the issue (or maybe a specific business product, like corporate Metrocards in W Yorks).
But there are time restrictions on the ALR that don't exist on the season ticket so depending on when you were planning on arriving in London this may not be suitable.
It makes sense to encourage management to go out and about on the network, experience "the product" and hopefully adopt best practice from elsewhere. I certainly wouldn't want those running the railway to go everywhere by car.
Is it frowned upon to use the pass too much for non-work activities?
Yes - that's what the guy told me. A photocard would have sorted the problem.
Many did get caught and lost their expensive ticket. He said that they often checked the pass carefully. He could not afford to lose his as he did not have a car.
In comparison to the Berwick-London season, the restriction would be that you can't arrive London before 10:00 on VTEC, which matters little considering that the first direct weekday service to London (Train 1Y14 which starts at Berwick at 06:00) arrives into London at 10:04.
You might be thinking of the option of changing at Newcastle for the Scotsman which arrives at 09:40 having run non stop from Newcastle to London.Huh, I dunno why but I thought that that train arrived earlier in London than 1000. In that case yes, as long as I'm never going to need to arrive before 1000 (for instance by driving to Newcastle to get an earlier train from there to London) then I'd go for the ALR.
Is it frowned upon to use the pass too much for non-work activities?
It's a product I would aspire to but, priced appropriately, what would the market be?
Very wealthy enthusiasts with lots of time to recoup their investment.
Owners of very successful private companies, without a stock market listing hence limited corporate governance issues, who travel frequently on business but prefer the train to a Mercedes S-class and driver.
I think those potential markets would number a couple of hundred people nationally, at most, though there may be more solitary and rich rail enthusiasts than I estimate. Interesting topic.
"The cost of this was £650 second class and £1,000 for first, which, using the Bank of England's inflation calculator would translate as £7,213.96 standard and £11,098.04 in first class today."
I'm wondering what would be the point of having a First Class ticket if you wanted to travel widely instead of just on a set route?
There are large areas (the Cardiff Valleys and Merseyrail spring to mind, but I guess that there are others) where there are no First Class services, so wouldn't you be paying for something that you couldn't have?
Just to add a little context, in the days when this ticket was available, (and at that price), provision of 1st class was considerably more generous than is the case today.
Just to add a little context, in the days when this ticket was available, (and at that price), provision of 1st class was considerably more generous than is the case today.