Broken Down Train - Haywards Heath

[RichardKing]

1A14 came to a stand outside Haywards Heath about an hour ago, blocking one of the down lines through the station. The reason Southern gave for this was simply that the train was broken down. However, Realtime Trains states that the breakdown was due to a bird strike (with a 'V8' code). Firstly, can anyone confirm the bird strike? Secondly, if this is true, it must have been quite a hefty bird for it to bring the train to a stand for around an hour! Has anything like this happened before on that route?

The units have since been sent off to Lovers Walk under the headcode of 5A14.

 

[MCSHF007]

Reportedly "came to a stand across Copyhold Junction after striking a pheasant resulting in loss of air due to damage to the main reservoir cock".

 

[RichardKing]

Reportedly "came to a stand across Copyhold Junction after striking a pheasant resulting in loss of air due to damage to the main reservoir cock".

Quite a mess I imagine!

 

[ComUtoR]

Quite a mess I imagine!

I find that birds tend to bounce. It can be quite loud. I've never had a bird cause damage to a unit and that includes when the slam into the window (I still duck)

I've seen a few caught in couplers but certainly not "messy"

 

[Philip Phlopp]

Has anything like this happened before on that route?

Regular occurrence across the network, unfortunately. That's why we've got a beautiful flow-chart with the TDA guide to use for delay attribution purposes when the delay is caused by an animal. It's one of the small flow charts though, which is nice.

V8 code is "Birds not the responsibility of Network Rail" which can only be used when the bird involved is the size of a pheasant or smaller, the train is a passenger train, and the bird hits any part of the train other than the pantograph or shoe gear.

If the bird had taken out the shoe gear, it would become attributable to Network Rail, under code X8, if the bird had been bigger than a pheasant, it also gets an X8 code, unless the bird was being carried by a passenger, then it gets a VZ code.

 

[RichardKing]

I find that birds tend to bounce. It can be quite loud. I've never had a bird cause damage to a unit and that includes when the slam into the window (I still duck)

I've seen a few caught in couplers but certainly not "messy"

I suppose it depends on the bird!
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Regular occurrence across the network, unfortunately. That's why we've got a beautiful flow-chart with the TDA guide to use for delay attribution purposes when the delay is caused by an animal. It's one of the small flow charts though, which is nice.

V8 code is "Birds not the responsibility of Network Rail" which can only be used when the bird involved is the size of a pheasant or smaller, the train is a passenger train, and the bird hits any part of the train other than the pantograph or shoe gear.

If the bird had taken out the shoe gear, it would become attributable to Network Rail, under code X8, if the bird had been bigger than a pheasant, it also gets an X8 code, unless the bird was being carried by a passenger, then it gets a VZ code.

I'm assuming that 'VZ' means that neither the TOC or Network Rail are to be blamed and fined?
Also, do you have a list of the codes and their meanings?

 

[alex17595]

I suppose it depends on the bird!
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I'm assuming that 'VZ' means that neither the TOC or Network Rail are to be blamed and fined?
Also, do you have a list of the codes and their meanings?

http://www.delayattributionboard.co...lay Attribution Guide - September 2015 V5.pdf

Page 107 onwards.

 

[Philip Phlopp]

I suppose it depends on the bird!
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I'm assuming that 'VZ' means that neither the TOC or Network Rail are to be blamed and fined?
Also, do you have a list of the codes and their meanings?

The Delay Attribution Guide is available from the Delay Attribution Board's website. VZ is a passenger TOC responsibility code.

 

[Bald Rick]

Regular occurrence across the network, unfortunately. That's why we've got a beautiful flow-chart with the TDA guide to use for delay attribution purposes when the delay is caused by an animal. It's one of the small flow charts though, which is nice.

V8 code is "Birds not the responsibility of Network Rail" which can only be used when the bird involved is the size of a pheasant or smaller, the train is a passenger train, and the bird hits any part of the train other than the pantograph or shoe gear.

If the bird had taken out the shoe gear, it would become attributable to Network Rail, under code X8, if the bird had been bigger than a pheasant, it also gets an X8 code, unless the bird was being carried by a passenger, then it gets a VZ code.

We had escaped Ostriches on the East Suffolk Line once (genuinely).

The DA guys weren't sure what to do, so buried their heads in the sand.

 

[RichardKing]

http://www.delayattributionboard.co...lay Attribution Guide - September 2015 V5.pdf

Page 107 onwards.

Thanks!

 

[Elecman]

Why should NR be liable for any bird strike? What can they reasonably do to prevent them?

 

[Hophead]

Why should NR be liable for any bird strike? What can they reasonably do to prevent them?

If you want your Delay Repay, someone's going to have to pony up

 

[HMS Ark Royal]

Bird strikes are never a pheasant experience for the driver

 

[Bald Rick]

Why should NR be liable for any bird strike? What can they reasonably do to prevent them?

Basically, NR is responsible for any delay that isn't under the control of the TOC.

 

[Elecman]

If you want your Delay Repay, someone's going to have to pony up

Yes the TOC as its their train that is disabled, still absolutely nothing to do with NR as its not a PWay/S&T or OLE failure!!

 

[HMS Ark Royal]

Basically, NR is responsible for any delay that isn't under the control of the TOC.

Even if it was a terrorism act?

 

[Lockwood]

V8 code is "Birds not the responsibility of Network Rail" which can only be used when [...] and the bird hits any part of the train other than the pantograph or shoe gear.

If the bird had taken out the shoe gear, it would become attributable to Network Rail

So, if a bird takes out the windscreen it's the TOC's fault and if it takes out the power feed it is NR's fault?

I am confuse.

 

[ChiefPlanner]

Happened before in that area. Immobilisd the air pipes under / front of a 319.


Way , way back - a 37 and coal train hit a "herd" of Flamingos on the Vale of Neath line near Penscynor Wildlife Park on the approach to Neath Riverside with similar (if colourful) results. Bad luck for the birds though.

 

[BestWestern]

V8 code is "Birds not the responsibility of Network Rail" which can only be used when the bird involved is the size of a pheasant or smaller, the train is a passenger train, and the bird hits any part of the train other than the pantograph or shoe gear.

If the bird had taken out the shoe gear, it would become attributable to Network Rail, under code X8, if the bird had been bigger than a pheasant, it also gets an X8 code, unless the bird was being carried by a passenger, then it gets a VZ code.

Could we please open a Sticky thread entitled "Definitive Proof That Privatisation Really Is Boll*cks" and just post this in there. Should settle it once a for all; ta.

Just wow. What else is there to be said... :roll::roll::roll:

 

[najaB]

Could we please open a Sticky thread entitled "Definitive Proof That Privatisation Really Is Boll*cks" and just post this in there. Should settle it once a for all; ta.

Just wow. What else is there to be said... :roll::roll::roll:

Is that a result of privatisation or vertical separation?

 

[coppercapped]

Reportedly "came to a stand across Copyhold Junction after striking a pheasant resulting in loss of air due to damage to the main reservoir cock".

Cock pheasant?

 

[2392]

Indeed shades of the parliamentary enquiry into the setting up of the Liverpool & Manchester Railway. An "Honourable Member" ask the L&M's chief engineer;..... "and if a cow should happen upon the line Mr Stephenson?"

After a bit thought Mr Stephenson replied; "Be rather unfortunate for the coow, Sir." He being a Northumbrian born in Wylam, which is a few few miles up the Tyne from Newcastle.

 

[westcoaster]

There is a pheasant farm between balcombe station and Ouse valley viaduct ( known as pheasant alley), the track is awash with dead birds and carcuses, I hit loads along that stretch even smashing the seconmans window screen on a 377.

 

[6Gman]

Why should NR be liable for any bird strike? What can they reasonably do to prevent them?

Since ostriches cannot fly they must have walked onto the line - hence a fencing issue - hence NR.

(He said semi-seriously)

I was on a MkI many years ago belting along near Penkridge when a pigeon decided to fly into the side of the train, connecting with the frame of the (open) top window. Didn't cause delay, but the pigeon was terminated! The largest fragment was smaller than a currant!

 

[HarleyDavidson]

Cock pheasant?

I know where you're going with this and are you inferring it was a gay pheasant?

 

[HMS Ark Royal]

I know where you're going with this and are you inferring it was a gay pheasant?

Doesn't the manual say to cock the pheasant before shooting it?

 

[HarleyDavidson]

At the end of the day it left this realm half cocked.

 

[wensley]

Even if it was a terrorism act?

See page 95, responsibility could lie with TOC/FOC/NR for this one depending on naturemormlocstion of the threat. It's all in there!

 

[Passenger John]

Do bird strikes have to be tweeted.