I would interpret that as start of introduction on Cambrian coast by the end of 2024 with completion by the end of 2025. Twelve months taken to get all 197s in service on Cambrian coast makes sense if TfL are also still getting the last of the non-Cambrian Coast 197s into service during the same time. So a phased introduction to cater for the promisers.New trains from Machynlleth to Pwllheli should be in service by end of year
New trains should be introduced to the Cambrian Coast line by the end of the year, Barmouth councillors have been told.www.cambrian-news.co.uk
Being said online that Barmouth councillors have been told that 197’s will be on the Cambrian this year (2024).
No crew training has taken place yet and as previously mentioned the latest internally was December 2025 but perhaps they wish to speed up the introduction? We shall see.
I'm unsure, supposedly some work or West Wales movements? I would've thought it would go down tomorrow morning on the schedule to do Carmarthen Sidings 3E99 tomorrow, but thats the only possible explanation I can see. I saw it pass under Llanharan bridge not too long ago though. Couldn't catch the number on it either
Absolutely in the wrong, and please do send TfW an email with the specified service. Even more cheeky to do so on a route that doesn't offer First Class at all.
Yesterday I had the opposite experience on 197120. The guard was welcoming and took time to explain about Standard Plus, and that it costs no more for now. A good advert, as passengers were impressed and may well use it in future.
I'm sure either craigybagel or sd will be along shortly who can no doubt shed some light on this.
Either way, if Standard Plus has come into effect today (No signage on 118 which I had earlier, so it certainly shouldn’t be), a guard should not be calling it First Class and turfing people out. She should be gently informing them that this is the Standard Plus area and asking if they would like to upgrade.
If a partially sighted person misses their stop because of this I'd hope there would be a storm for TfW, although with a head of the EHRC who doesn't care about equality one wouldn't be shocked if it was swept under the carpet
These buttons are not well located either, as standing passengers (very common on TfW) can obscure them. I've seen a few people struggling to open the door. On the 231s there is just a single open button located on the door, much better and obvious as to it's function. Incidentally, on the 197s the black thing between the door controls is an indicator to show the door is not in use. I saw one lit last week.
Same day (typically by 1am day-of, if not earlier) allocations for TfW (and many other TOCs) are on realtime trains.
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And I will be on 197115 from Liverpool South Parkway to Chester at 0857.
It doesn't help that tfw don't seem to know what's happening on social media. I saw the posts on X/twitter and them saying ask.the guard if you want an upgrade. Well there is no upgrade yet ! It doesn't give a very good impression.
Yes that was totally uncalled for. And I'd make a complaint as well.
That's good to know. Same on 197118. Different guard after Cardiff and both guards checked tickets and didn't say anything about first class or standard plus.
Same day (typically by 1am day-of, if not earlier) allocations for TfW (and many other TOCs) are on realtime trains.Further in advance than same day isn't as easy to guess.Realtime Trains | Live Departures from Chester
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Liverpool-Chester TfW will probably be a 197
That's how it should be, or just to say it will be upgrades in the future. In all honesty the internal memos have been pretty clear on it stating their declassified until told otherwise so the confusion seems a little strange particularly from Social media teams who should easily be able to check.