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CAF donations to the Conservative Party

DanNCL

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A quick search on the electoral comission website shows that CAF Rail UK Ltd have made four donations to the Conservative Party over the last 6 years, most recently in 2022, coming to a total of £150,000.
I assume that CAF won this order from a 100% government owned company because they submitted the best bid, and that it's just coincidence that CAF have donated £150,000 to the governing party over the last 6 years... :s

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A quick search on the electoral comission website shows that CAF Rail UK Ltd have made four donations to the Conservative Party over the last 6 years, most recently in 2022, coming to a total of £150,000.
I assume that CAF won this order from a 100% government owned company because they submitted the best bid, and that it had nothing to do with the fact that CAF have donated £150,000 to the governing party over the last 6 years... :s
A rather cynical view, perhaps?
 

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A quick search on the electoral comission website shows that CAF Rail UK Ltd have made four donations to the Conservative Party over the last 6 years, most recently in 2022, coming to a total of £150,000.
I assume that CAF won this order from a 100% government owned company because they submitted the best bid, and that it's just coincidence that CAF have donated £150,000 to the governing party over the last 6 years... :s
Totally not a conflict of interest.
 

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A quick search on the electoral comission website shows that CAF Rail UK Ltd have made four donations to the Conservative Party over the last 6 years, most recently in 2022, coming to a total of £150,000.
I assume that CAF won this order from a 100% government owned company because they submitted the best bid, and that it's just coincidence that CAF have donated £150,000 to the governing party over the last 6 years... :s
Perhaps you may wish to bring that to a newspaper’s attention?
 

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Perhaps you may wish to bring that to a newspaper’s attention?
What's the point? Most of them support the Tories themselves.

At the same time I want to keep in mind that whilst there obviously does appear to be a conflict of interest, that this procurement could have been managed entirely by an independent team of employees at LNER who were unaware of CAF's donations to the Conservative Party, and that it may *genuinely* be a coincidence.
 

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A quick search on the electoral comission website shows that CAF Rail UK Ltd have made four donations to the Conservative Party over the last 6 years, most recently in 2022, coming to a total of £150,000.
I assume that CAF won this order from a 100% government owned company because they submitted the best bid, and that it's just coincidence that CAF have donated £150,000 to the governing party over the last 6 years... :s
That's a tiny amount compared to some corporate donations
 

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A rather cynical view, perhaps?
Seriously, you think it is a cynical view to question a company winning a contract from a Govt ran TOC after they have made substantial donations to the Govt and as recently as 2022? :lol:

That's a tiny amount compared to some corporate donations
Does that make it ok then?
Why the hell would a Spanish train manufacturer want to be donating money to the UK Government?
 

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Why the hell would a Spanish train manufacturer want to be donating money to the UK Government?
They didn't. They donated to the Conservative party.

Hair splitting? Maybe. But it's an important distinction.
 

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Regardless of how significant or insignificant £150k is in this matter, the optics of a government owned and controlled company giving a contract to a company that's donated to the governing party aren't good.

Is the procurement of those trains a ministerial decision?
The majority of work will have been done by civil servants and LNER themselves. But it will have required ministerial sign off to go ahead, and there's always the possibility of ministerial influence at an earlier stage - it might sound far fetched but you can't rule it out with this government.

Is it any different to trade unions donating large sums to the Labour Party?
Yes as Labour aren't in power therefore can't spend taxpayer money on contracts to their donors.
 

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Yes as Labour aren't in power therefore can't spend taxpayer money on contracts to their donors.
But they have been in power in the past, and will be again in the future, and have implemented policies that benefit their trade union donors.
 

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A rather cynical view, perhaps?

Healthily cynical?

A quick search on the electoral comission website shows that CAF Rail UK Ltd have made four donations to the Conservative Party over the last 6 years, most recently in 2022, coming to a total of £150,000.
I assume that CAF won this order from a 100% government owned company because they submitted the best bid, and that it's just coincidence that CAF have donated £150,000 to the governing party over the last 6 years... :s

It is ironic that the UK subsidiary of a Spanish company are donating to the party who has done so much to wreck relations between the UK and Continental Europe in recent years.
 
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They didn't. They donated to the Conservative party.

Hair splitting? Maybe. But it's an important distinction.
The Conservative Party are the UK Government at the moment and the UK Government are the decision makers in this country (hence the country crumbling at its knees). The UK Government also control the particular TOC that has handed CAF this contract.

If you can't see how much this stinks, I can't help you I'm afraid!
 

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A rather cynical view, perhaps?
Have you not read any of the analyses of how highly lucrative PPE contracts were awarded to Conservative Party donors three years ago?

We should absolutely be on the lookout for more of the same.

The current government, following on from that and multiple cash for honours cases, have only themselves to blame that we regard them as entirely untrustworthy.
 

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That makes it ten times worse in my book. A political donation to the party currently in power....blatant corruption!

Welcome the UK. It happens with every political party, regardless of their position on the political spectrum (left/right/centre). British political culture is broken & rotten.

Then we have the cheek to lecture other countries about corruption.
 

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The Conservative Party are the UK Government at the moment and the UK Government are the decision makers in this country (hence the country crumbling at its knees). The UK Government also control the particular TOC that has handed CAF this contract.

If you can't see how much this stinks, I can't help you I'm afraid!
The reason I point out the distinction is that you'd need to consider CAF's history of donations to political parties.

If this is the only donation they've made then it definitely suspect. If they only donate to parties that are in power regardless of leaning, then it's also suspect. If they donate to conservative parties regardless of if they are in power or not, then it is much less suspicious.
 

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The reason I point out the distinction is that you'd need to consider CAF's history of donations to political parties.

If this is the only donation they've made then it definitely suspect. If they only donate to parties that are in power regardless of leaning, then it's also suspect. If they donate to conservative parties regardless of if they are in power or not, then it is much less suspicious.
They have made 4 donations to the Conservatives since November 2018.

20/11/18 - £50k
27/11/19 - £50k
05/01/21 - £25k
22/02/22 - £25k

All of these have been whilst the Tories have had the power to drag this country to the pits of despair.

It would also be interesting to see how these dates tie in with tenders going out/contract awards being made for the other CAF units that have been built.
 

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Do we know what other donations they've made, both here and in other countries?
 

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Some other manufacturers for comparison:
Bombardier made two donations to the total sum of £5350 to Labour in 2009, whilst the latter was in power. Link
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C0022830Labour PartyGreat BritainPolitical Party£4,300.0027/11/2009Central PartyBombardier Transportation (UK) Ltd - SponsorshipSponsorshipCompanyDE24 8ADCash27/11/200930/01/2010PostQ4 2009Aggregation
C0022829Labour PartyGreat BritainPolitical Party£1,050.0020/11/2009Central PartyBombardier Transportation (UK) LtdCompanyDE24 8ADCash20/11/200930/01/2010PostQ4 2009Aggregation

Siemens made two donations in 2016 and 2017 to the total sum of £6055 to Michelle Donelan, Tory MP for Chippenham. Probably worth noting that Siemens have a facility in Chippenham. Link
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C0380840Michelle Donelan MPGreat BritainRegulated Donee£3,555.0010/12/2017Siemens Rail AutomationCompanyMP - Member of Parliament0164 1421GU16 8QDCash10/12/201709/01/2018January 2018
NC0260291Michelle Donelan MPGreat BritainRegulated Donee£2,500.0023/08/2016Siemens Rail AutomationCompanyMP - Member of Parliament0164 1421GU16 8QDNon CashOther23/08/201603/11/2016November 2016

Hitachi has made three donations all to different people/parties. One in 2013 to Labour - this appears to be to the constituency group in Sedgefield where Hitachi have their Newton Aycliffe site. The other two were in 2013 to James Wharton, Tory MP at the time for Stockton South, and in 2015 to Mark Bradshaw, Labour councillor for Bedminster. Of note is that the latter donation was made jointly by Hitachi and First Great Western. Link
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C0161157Cllr Mark BradshawGreat BritainRegulated Donee£5,000.0013/02/2015Hitachi Rail and First Great WesternOtherCllr. - Member of a Local AuthorityEC1N 2PBCash09/02/201501/03/2015PostApril 2015
NC0092417Mr James Wharton MPGreat BritainRegulated Donee£2,000.0024/06/2013Hitachi Rail Europe LtdSponsorshipCompanyMP - Member of Parliament05598549WC1F 0AFNon CashSponsorship24/06/201305/08/2013PostJuly 2013
C0088715Labour PartyGreat BritainPolitical Party£5,700.0007/01/2013Sedgefield CLPHitachi Rail Europe LimitedCompany5598549EC1N 2PBCash07/01/201330/04/2013PostQ1 2013

Alstom and Stadler have no registered political donations in the UK

So whilst CAF aren't the only rail manufacturer to make political donations in the UK, they have by a large margin made more political donations than any other rail manufacturer, and the timing of CAF's most recent donation to the Tory party is suspect when one considers that it was around the same time as the decision to award the LNER order to CAF became known internally, early 2022.

One notes that there seems to be around a three month delay between donations being made and them appearing on the electoral commission website. Hopefully another donation from CAF to the Conservative Party won't appear in the next few months!

It would also be interesting to see how these dates tie in with tenders going out/contract awards being made for the other CAF units that have been built.
The big difference between the LNER contract and any other UK contract CAF have won is that LNER is 100% government owned and controlled. All of the other orders were either made by private companies (Arriva, First, Abellio and Serco) or by TFL (Labour Mayor). The UK government didn't have any influence in the TFW and Caledonian Sleeper orders, and will have had a lot less influence in the TPE, Northern and WMT orders than they will have had in the LNER order.

Do we know what other donations they've made, both here and in other countries?
In the UK it's just those four donations to the Conservatives. Unsure about other countries

Hitachi (if I've read correctly) have donated £5700 to the Labour Party (10 years ago) and various smaller sums to individual politicians for Labour, the Tories, and Plaid.
The donation from Hitachi to Plaid appears to be from one of their other business sectors rather than Hitachi Rail.
 

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I'm by no means a political expert so can anyone tell me any other possible reasons a Spanish train manufacturer would want to make donations to the UK Government other than to keep them sweet?
 

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I'm by no means a political expert so can anyone tell me any other possible reasons a Spanish train manufacturer would want to make donations to the UK Government other than to keep them sweet?
Again, hate to be "that guy", but donations to the Government (read "bribes") would be illegal by definition, where donations to a political party are questionable at best.
 

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