Caledonian Sleeper Class 92's

[TimboM]

I think he thinks it isn't proper for a Freightliner 90 to be leading a train for which GBRf has the haulage contract :roll:

It was a light-hearted comment gents, although I'll admit to being a fan of the CS 92s and less so Freightliner 90s.

My observation/question was this an unusual movement for some reason (e.g. Linked to the loco failure they'd had earlier at Polmadie to shift traction about) or something fairly typical?

Also, putting my favouritism of the Class 92s to one side for a moment, I'd have thought if they needed to do this they'd lead with the more reliable Skoda and pop the (unmodified) 92 on the back?

 

[CosherB]

It was a light-hearted comment gents, although I'll admit to being a fan of the CS 92s and less so Freightliner 90s.

My observation/question was this an unusual movement for some reason (e.g. Linked to the loco failure they'd had earlier at Polmadie to shift traction about) or something fairly typical?

Also, putting my favouritism of the Class 92s to one side for a moment, I'd have thought if they needed to do this they'd lead with the more reliable Skoda and pop the (unmodified) 92 on the back?

Unless the 90 burst?

 

[TimboM]

Unless the 90 burst?

Possibly, although I understand the 90 was on the rear and no obvious delays with the service or ECS move so doesn't sound like a failure. You'd assume the 90 brought in the ECS from Wembley then stayed attached?

 

[leomartin125]

Talking of CS 92's, I've noticed that one of the 1M11/1S26 services is currently 92 operated, with the rest being 90 operated. That's good to see one of them (it may be 92014) back on the long haul runs again.

 

[Far north 37]

Talking of CS 92's, I've noticed that one of the 1M11/1S26 services is currently 92 operated, with the rest being 90 operated. That's good to see one of them (it may be 92014) back on the long haul runs again.

when i came down last week on the inverness portion there was a cs liveried 92 on the blocks after arriving with the glasgow portion couldnt id it though as didnt have time it wasnt 92014 though as it was arriving to take the inverness ecs

 

[TimboM]

when i came down last week on the inverness portion there was a cs liveried 92 on the blocks after arriving with the glasgow portion couldnt id it though as didnt have time it wasnt 92014 though as it was arriving to take the inverness ecs

92010 has been on ECS duties and also did a full northbound Lowlander run on Sunday night. 92038 has also been doing some ECS moves between Polmadie/Glasgow/Edinburgh/Carstairs. If you let us know which night it was you saw it, then should be able to work out which one.

Of the other CS-liveried 92s, 018, 023 and 033 are all in Brush Loughborough - presumably having their "modifications" done. As mentioned above, 92014 is the other one of the 6 and the only one with the modifications completed so far. It's been working the sleepers recently along with 3x Freightliner 90s.

 

[Far north 37]

92010 has been on ECS duties and also did a full northbound Lowlander run on Sunday night. 92038 has also been doing some ECS moves between Polmadie/Glasgow/Edinburgh/Carstairs. If you let us know which night it was you saw it, then should be able to work out which one.

Of the other CS-liveried 92s, 018, 023 and 033 are all in Brush Loughborough - presumably having their "modifications" done. As mentioned above, 92014 is the other one of the 6 and the only one with the modifications completed so far. It's been working the sleepers recently along with 3x Freightliner 90s.

it was on wednesday morning i seen it

 

[TimboM]

it was on wednesday morning i seen it

Would've been 92010.

There's a YouTube video of it bringing in the (late running) Carstairs-Edinburgh portion at c.9am on Wed 4th and then taking the ECS back out: https://youtu.be/1A62UvLMAig

 

[Far north 37]

Would've been 92010.

There's a YouTube video of it bringing in the (late running) Carstairs-Edinburgh portion at c.9am on Wed 4th and then taking the ECS back out: https://youtu.be/1A62UvLMAig

it was at euston i seen the cs 92 on the morning of the 4th so couldnt of been 92010 then any idea what it was

 

[JModulo]

it was at euston i seen the cs 92 on the morning of the 4th so couldnt of been 92010 then any idea what it was

I've noticed over the past few Saturday mornings at Glasgow that the sleeper has been 92 worked, usually 92010/14 with a few runs having been done by 92044. ECS usually being hauled by 86401 however was worked by 92038 on Christmas Eve.

 

[leomartin125]

it was at euston i seen the cs 92 on the morning of the 4th so couldnt of been 92010 then any idea what it was

92014. That's the only other one in service and in England other than 92010. 92044 is at Carlisle N.Y. now after hauling today's 6S93.

 

[Far north 37]

I've noticed over the past few Saturday mornings at Glasgow that the sleeper has been 92 worked, usually 92010/14 with a few runs having been done by 92044. ECS usually being hauled by 86401 however was worked by 92038 on Christmas Eve.

the night i had it 87002 and 92014 were the ecs locos 90048 worhed the inverness portion south
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92014. That's the only other one in service and in England other than 92010. 92044 is at Carlisle N.Y. now after hauling today's 6S93.

this was wednesday the 4th 92014 was arriving for the inverness ecs working as i was leaving euston on a london overground working

 

[TimboM]

it was at euston i seen the cs 92 on the morning of the 4th so couldnt of been 92010 then any idea what it was

Sorry - mistakenly thought you'd seen it in Edinburgh for some reason. As other posters have said, if it was a CS liveried 92 in Euston that morning I think it could only be 92014 as 010 and 038 were in Scotland at the time and the other 3 are in Brush Loughborough.

From what I can tell, 92014 brought the Lowlander down from Glasgow Tue night, arriving Euston Platform 1 at 06:28 Wed morning:

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C74099/2017/01/03/advanced

They'd have then detached 92014 and a light loco (e.g. 87002) brought in and hooked on to the North end to take the ECS back to Wembley (d. 08:26). 92014 is left behind and parks up on the blocks at Euston.

The Highlander with you on board then comes into Platforn 15 at 08:06 hauled by 90048:

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C74102/2017/01/03/advanced

92014 then leaves its blocks, heads out of the station and comes back in on P15 to hook up to the North end of the Highlander and then takes the ECS (with 90048 still on the back) back to Wembley departing 09:26...

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C74127/2017/01/04/advanced

I'm filling in a few gaps here, so may not be 100% accurate, but this is a typical movement (as saves bringing in an extra loco) and would explain how you saw 92014 on the blocks when you arrived, but then also saw it coming in light loco when you left on the Overground - as it would have left the station where it'd been parked up, gone "round the corner" just out of sight, then come back in to get the Inverness ECS.

 

[Far north 37]

Sorry - mistakenly thought you'd seen it in Edinburgh for some reason. As other posters have said, if it was a CS liveried 92 in Euston that morning I think it could only be 92014 as 010 and 038 were in Scotland at the time and the other 3 are in Brush Loughborough.

From what I can tell, 92014 brought the Lowlander down from Glasgow Tue night, arriving Euston Platform 1 at 06:28 Wed morning:

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C74099/2017/01/03/advanced

They'd have then detached 92014 and a light loco (e.g. 87002) brought in and hooked on to the North end to take the ECS back to Wembley (d. 08:26). 92014 is left behind and parks up on the blocks at Euston.

The Highlander with you on board then comes into Platforn 15 at 08:06 hauled by 90048:

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C74102/2017/01/03/advanced

92014 then leaves its blocks, heads out of the station and comes back in on P15 to hook up to the North end of the Highlander and then takes the ECS (with 90048 still on the back) back to Wembley departing 09:26...

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C74127/2017/01/04/advanced

I'm filling in a few gaps here, so may not be 100% accurate, but this is a typical movement (as saves bringing in an extra loco) and would explain how you saw 92014 on the blocks when you arrived, but then also saw it coming in light loco when you left on the Overground - as it would have left the station where it'd been parked up, gone "round the corner" just out of sight, then come back in to get the Inverness ECS.

ah right the glasgow ecs had left when i was leaving so that explains it just didnt realise they used the glasgow loco for the inverness ecs thanks for clearing that up

 

[leomartin125]

Sorry - mistakenly thought you'd seen it in Edinburgh for some reason. As other posters have said, if it was a CS liveried 92 in Euston that morning I think it could only be 92014 as 010 and 038 were in Scotland at the time and the other 3 are in Brush Loughborough.

From what I can tell, 92014 brought the Lowlander down from Glasgow Tue night, arriving Euston Platform 1 at 06:28 Wed morning:

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C74099/2017/01/03/advanced

They'd have then detached 92014 and a light loco (e.g. 87002) brought in and hooked on to the North end to take the ECS back to Wembley (d. 08:26). 92014 is left behind and parks up on the blocks at Euston.

The Highlander with you on board then comes into Platforn 15 at 08:06 hauled by 90048:

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C74102/2017/01/03/advanced

92014 then leaves its blocks, heads out of the station and comes back in on P15 to hook up to the North end of the Highlander and then takes the ECS (with 90048 still on the back) back to Wembley departing 09:26...

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/C74127/2017/01/04/advanced

I'm filling in a few gaps here, so may not be 100% accurate, but this is a typical movement (as saves bringing in an extra loco) and would explain how you saw 92014 on the blocks when you arrived, but then also saw it coming in light loco when you left on the Overground - as it would have left the station where it'd been parked up, gone "round the corner" just out of sight, then come back in to get the Inverness ECS.

And if you want a video to sum that all up, I've done exactly that:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkOgd1a2HWQ

Taken a while ago, but follows the same principle with the same locomotive.

 

[Far north 37]

so does the same thing happen with the evening sleeper does the inverness ecs loco work the glasgow ecs

 

[TimboM]

And if you want a video to sum that all up, I've done exactly that:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkOgd1a2HWQ

Taken a while ago, but follows the same principle with the same locomotive.

Seen your video before - probably how I knew how they organised this!

 

[Far north 37]

Seen your video before - probably how I knew how they organised this!

 

[TimboM]

yes i read about that movement was it possibly detached at crewe for maintanance or are the freightliner 90s still maintained there

Not sure if they're maintained there, but it's feasible.

I THINK on this occasion the 90 stayed on until Carstairs. I may be adding 2+2 and getting 5, but the loco booked to take the Lowlander ECS from Polmadie into Edinburgh the evening before failed, so my guess it may have been something to do with this and needing to shuffle locos around - but I am guessing!

 

[Far north 37]

Not sure if they're maintained there, but it's feasible.

I THINK on this occasion the 90 stayed on until Carstairs. I may be adding 2+2 and getting 5, but the loco booked to take the Lowlander ECS from Polmadie into Edinburgh the evening before failed, so my guess it may have been something to do with this and needing to shuffle locos around - but I am guessing!

read there in rail express freighliner have opened a new depot at basford hall for maintaining the electric fleet and light repairs to the diesel fleet but the failure you mention would seem the most likely explanation cause i dont think they are moved for maintenance this way are they maintained at willesden for day to day exams

 

[TimboM]

read there in rail express freighliner have opened a new depot at basford hall for maintaining the electric fleet and light repairs to the diesel fleet but the failure you mention would seem the most likely explanation cause i dont think they are moved for maintenance this way are they maintained at willesden for day to day exams

Agreed - they usually go light engine for maintenance. Also, whilst the FL 90s are on hire to GBRf I believe GBRf are responsible for the day-to-day maintenance (e.g. At Willesden as you say). They'd only go back to FL for a major exam etc I think. I'm pretty sure it was 90042 that hitched the lift and it's still doing sleeper workings at the moment.

My assumption is the failed loco was due to work Polmadie-EDB ECS, then haul the EDB portion of the Southbound Lowlander to Carstairs, where it'd be detached (as the Glasgow loco takes the combined service on to Euston) and wait at Carstairs to then do the EDB portion of the Northbound Lowlander in the morning.

As it failed they'd have then needed to scramble another loco to get the EDB portion to Carstairs - possibly the one booked for the Southbound (INV) Highlander. Once they'd got the EDB portion to Carstairs (an hour late!) if this is what they did, then that loco would've needed to go back to EDB to its original job of taking the Southbound Highlander forward to EUS. This means they're without a loco at Carstairs to take the EDB portion of the Northbound in the morning - so they take the extra loco up with them.

Incidentally as the two portions head off in different directions at Carstairs all they'd need to do is uncouple the train in the middle and each of the halves already has its loco attached...

 

[SC318250]

To clear up what happened the other night

The 92 that wad booked to work 5C11/1C11 failed at Polmadie. 90029 was hired in from DB to work 5C11/1C11 then returned to Mossend from Carstairs.
90042 hitched a lift north on 1S26 and took up 1B26 from Carstairs to Edinburgh and 5B26 back to Polmadie

 

[CosherB]

To clear up what happened the other night

The 92 that wad booked to work 5C11/1C11 failed at Polmadie. 90029 was hired in from DB to work 5C11/1C11 then returned to Mossend from Carstairs.
90042 hitched a lift north on 1S26 and took up 1B26 from Carstairs to Edinburgh and 5B26 back to Polmadie

Thanks - this has sounded like the blind leading the blind on here for a while!

 

[TimboM]

Thanks - this has sounded like the blind leading the blind on here for a while!

Agreed, thanks SC318250 for clearing it all up.

Maybe blind leading the blind, but weren't too far off...!

 

[leomartin125]

Just noticed today's 1M16 has arrived under the motive power of a Class 92, so that must mean two of the four sleepers each day are 92 operated, as 1M11 was also 92 operated. I believe 1M11 was operated by 92014, and 1M16 was operated by 92010.

 

[alexf380]

A third one is then on the 1C11/1B26 duty, as it's sitting at Edinburgh having come off the stock for that turn.

 

[TimboM]

Would appear that 92010 and 92038 did the two Southbound runs last night (Thu) as both were in Polmadie yesterday pm and both are in Wembley today.

92014 has remained in Scotland so will most likely have done the Lowlander Edinburgh portion working.

(The other 3 CS-liveried 92s are all currently in Loughborough.)

Interesting that it appears the two "unmodified" ones (including 038 which failed on Sunday night) did the main runs South, and the only modified one (014) did the shorter runs in Scotland.
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...seems like last night (Fri) 3 of the 4 main runs were 92 hauled - that can't have happened for a while?

Allocations from what I can tell were:

1M11 Glasgow-Euston 92014
1S26 Euston-Glasgow 92038
1S25 Highlander Northbound 92010

(1M16 Highlander Southbound 90046)

 

[PaxVobiscum]

Yesterday (Friday the 13th) I booked a Glasgow - London return trip for April.
How would anyone rate the chances of a clear run?

The website seems better now, no probs there.

 

[leomartin125]

As shown, today marked the return of GBRf Class 92033 and 92023 from Brush/Wabtec Loughborough after modifications to work the sleepers. Does anyone know if 92010, 92038 or 92018 have been modified yet?

Link:
https://flic.kr/p/R8KuJK

 

[TimboM]

As shown, today marked the return of GBRf Class 92033 and 92023 from Brush/Wabtec Loughborough after modifications to work the sleepers. Does anyone know if 92010, 92038 or 92018 have been modified yet?

Link:
https://flic.kr/p/R8KuJK

I believe only 92014 had been modified prior to these two, so 92010/38 haven't yet - although interestingly both have been working the sleepers without too many issues in recent weeks (esp 92010 which has done several London/Scotland runs).

92018 is still in Loughborough.

92023 only went in to Loughborough on 5th Jan, so if it has had its modifications done, it's been in and out a lot quicker than the others!