Caledonian Sleeper

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  1. Mainliner

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    Coincidentally, the latest Tripadvisor review includes a reference to this: “Going to bed the fun started. We didn’t sleep at all during the trip. There was a loud never ending noise from the window. It was like going with high speed through a windtunnel. At first we thought it would be simply dealt with by just closing the window but that was impossible.

    A member of staff apologised profoundly and told us that this complaint was a daily fact. It would never be solved since it was a well known design fault, since the windows were doubling as emergency exits”
     
  2. John Bishop

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    Transport Secretary was getting a grilling in Scottish Parliament yesterday over the poor performance of CS. Not quite sure what the end result was, it apparently he was refusing to apologise over the debacle.
     
  3. 47271

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    Possible, but I haven't heard that one before. Noise around the window is more likely to be caused by the aircon outlet which is located bizarrely on the bottom sill. This is is also the cause of a separate complaint from seated passengers who find one arm or another frozen during the journey.

    In the mk3s, cold air was pumped in silently via the ceiling. I can only assume that it was cheaper to build with the duct running just below the windows.
     
  4. OvergroundMatt

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    The managing director of Caledonian Sleeper is out, reports Richard Clinnick.

     
  5. Goldfish62

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    The aircon vents on the bottom sill has been pretty much the default location on European rolling stock since aircon started being fitted. It's also present on the Eurostar Class 373.
     
  6. Bletchleyite

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    I doubt it was cheaper. It is very common practice on mainland European coaches, possibly because in a larger UIC coach the ceiling is far further away. It's probably just because that's what CAF LHCS does - the interior of the Mk5 does have a very European look to it unlike all the CAF DMUs and EMUs which look more British.
     
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    It may be less of an issue in UIC stock because of the extra width. With some UK stock, you end up with the windowsill being used as a kind of armrest, because the actual armrest has been squeezed away to nothing due to overall width obstructions. And if the windowsill becomes an armrest by default, then it's obviously not a great location to have pumping out cold (or hot) air.
     
  8. mde

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    Here's an extract from the Official Report (it's a bit lengthy) detailing the exchanges in question:

     
  9. Bletchleyite

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    Though that doesn't really apply to the Caledonian Sleeper seated coaches as they are basically all First Class.
     
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    The Sleeper’s Ross Flaherty has resigned. Not sure if it will help tho? https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...-boss-to-quit-post-at-much-criticised-service
     
  11. 47271

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    Fair enough, I'd never thought about it much when I've been on trains in Europe.

    Anyway, if it's making a level of noise that's keeping people awake or freezing their arms then it's an unsuitable design.
     
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    I don’t think Nightstar stock had aircon under the window. It’s been a while since I was last on one (Quebec City to Montreal) but I certainly don’t remember anything like that & the lounge car photo here- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renaissance_(railcar) doesn’t seem to show vents there.
     
  13. Flying Snail

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    "The cars were built by Metro Cammell in the mid-1990s... They are based on the British Rail Mark 4 design"

    So no reason they would have continental style window AC vents then.

    The overhead vents can be clearly seen in some of those photos.


    Prior to the CAF Mk5 the only stock in the UK built with window ledge vents was the original Eurostar sets and the Irish Rail/NIR Enterprise stock.

    The Irish Rail CAF built coach sets used on Dublin - Cork also have window vents. They also had lousy ride quality when first introduced and despite remedial work never came close to matching the ride quality of the BR Mk3 coches they replaced.
     
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    So the moral is, don't buy stock from CAF, it's rickety and is generally built to standards totally unsuited to UK or Irish use.

    Too late.
     
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    I've been on a TPE Mk5a (admittedly in 1st) and I think it's possibly the nicest thing on the UK rails, if that helps. The ride and build quality are poor, though.

    And I'm not a loco nut.
     
  16. Flying Snail

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    So poor ride, build quality and some of the most uncomfortable seats installed on any long distance train anywhere; how the hell is it "the nicest"?
     
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    Probably the lowest bid though. Is anything else important to UK purchasers?
     
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    Anyone know the current 1M11 loco, attached to 1C11 right now?
     
  19. TimboM

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    92043 is on 1M11 tonight
     
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    Lowest or only? There were very few companies from what I recall prepared to even bid for such a low-volume, highly bespoke production run.

    I wouldn't describe still being employed by Serco Group and moving to another area of the business to be nearer his family as "resigning"??
     
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    1M16 Inverness - Euston was double headed by 66706+73968 as far as Edinburgh Waverley.

    The loco from Edinburgh to London was 92010.
     
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    Thank you for that.
     
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    1S25 Euston Scotland being diverted via ECML tonight due to WCML closed near Lancaster , OHLE probs.
     
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    All the rest going WCML, waiting on the line being opened!
    Currently predicted for 0500.
     
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    Last I heard they had found more issues so that time was likely to slip...
    Sam
     
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    Interesting/surprising that it was possible to arrange this at such short notice.
     
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    07:00 at this point; although I'm sure that will get pushed back once there's first daylight.
     
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    1m11 still at Oxenholme and 1s26 stuck in Barton and Broughton lay by if that's what you call it.
     
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    The Northbound Highlander hasn't fared too bad, all things considered - diverting via the ECML has left it "only" around an hour late into all three destinations.

    The Lowlander not so good. Running only to Glasgow, and currently 178L around Beattock.
     

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