Bletchleyite
Veteran Member
One would have thought the rail industry would learn, and realise the introduction of new stock never goes smoothly
Or the manufacturers could ensure it did...
One would have thought the rail industry would learn, and realise the introduction of new stock never goes smoothly
Is there a loco with them? There will of course be a plan to get them moved but it’ll depend on having a driver or drivers with appropriate route/traction knowledge and sufficient hours of work available, and requesting and obtaining a schedule from Network Rail...
Seems to have come up from Crewe at lunchtime (I had a look on RTT when I went past and saw it there this afternoon). What I couldn't see was a path for it to take the repaired coaches away from Longsight.GBRF-liveried 92043 ready to pull the set away.
Seems to have come up from Crewe at lunchtime (I had a look on RTT when I went past and saw it there this afternoon). What I couldn't see was a path for it to take the repaired coaches away from Longsight.
And of course.. it's running late. Only joking. Something that's early for once!
Anytime Single from Edinburgh to London is £161.50. I haven't seen a CS bed for less than that recently, this being the case a refund probably actually is best. If you get an Advance or can go off-peak (£20 cheaper) you're really quids in.
It's the seated passengers who will be really stuck, as that's far cheaper than any day train fare - I guess that'd be Megabus or bust - or take CS's coach.
Top hotels have dozens of staff and decades of practice and don’t move ... I bet they’re trying to do the ‘hotel on wheels ‘ with a skeleton crew and not much stored up expertise. Recipe for disaster
Or Ft William or Inverness for that matter.I don't know if they would be able to find suitable accommodation in London or Edinburgh at such short notice.
Seems to have a particular gripe about Serco - how many times did he mention them in the review??A Tripadvisor review posted yesterday (“Awful train service. AVOID”) includes an account of the emergency brake application which caused the wheel flats, and the aftermath.
https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Attra...iam_Lochaber_Scottish_Highlands_Scotland.html
They will be moved when they are ready.Just passed Longsight again. The Sleeper cars are in exactly the same position as last night.
If the work has been completed I do wonder why they can’t get them down to London or Edinburgh (can’t remember which one they’ve cancelled) to run a service tonight.
I'm guessing the return will be another VSTP, so it can be anyone's guess really. I go past there pretty much everyday so I can see any movements or loco attachments and report anything interesting.
For anyone interested in the light loco path:
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O14637/2019/06/17/advanced
"The only thing that man has ever learnt from history, is that man never learns from history".One would have thought the rail industry would learn, and realise the introduction of new stock never goes smoothly
They will be moved when they are ready.
92043 is the loco now in attendance.
That wasn't a light engine move - 92043 was hauling Club Car 15105 and sleeper 15332. They are two coaches which escaped unscathed but need to be reunited with the ones at Longsight to reform up the half-set.
"The only thing that man has ever learnt from history, is that man never learns from history".
Perhaps next time there is a problem Serco should rustle up some of their Prisoner Escort Vehicles to convey people in.
By the sound of anecdotal evidence it would not be much of a drop in comfort levels !!
How many usable Mk5s are there? Enough for a trade with GWR for their refurb Mk3s, with the rest going for spares?
How many usable Mk5s are there? Enough for a trade with GWR for their refurb Mk3s, with the rest going for spares?
I understand what you are saying, however they should have been tested in a live environment after they were passed as safe for passenger use.
The idea of a stepchange in quality/standards/operations such as this not being stress tested to the max is ludicrous
Unfortunately a static test won't tell you if the lip on a shower tray is big enough to contain the wave action of water within it on a moving train.Better than that would have been to build a static carriage interior, & then test all the cabin systems. It's the way it's done for a lot of construction.
Are we saying they didn't do any soft launch testing? I'm sure there are plenty of folks here who would've loved the chance to spend the night on a train parked up at Crewe or wherever!Even having them parked up somewhere & on shore power, then 'running' a fully occupied, overnight service would have tested most of the systems & services.
Better than that would have been to build a static carriage interior, & then test all the cabin systems. It's the way it's done for a lot of construction.
Unfortunately a static test won't tell you if the lip on a shower tray is big enough to contain the wave action of water within it on a moving train.
So although some systems can be tested statically, some systems (like doors coming open and shower trays holding water) will deffently need testing in a live environment.
Agree with you there. There are various things that don't look like great design. Like, why are the shower floor and the coved edge two separate pieces of material, instead of one, introducing a joint that can fail? And why is only one edge coved? I'm surprised that the bottom of the shower isn't a one-piece unit like a fibreglass tray or similar.One of the reports was that the shower water was puddling, which means that it's not draining away quick enough.
If you look at the drain used, & it's position, it's obvious that any tilt, in any direction, will move water away from the drain.
Look at a bathroom (an accessible one) on the QM2, & the drain is much bigger, & the water to the right of it can't go anywhere but down the drain. There is also a much larger 'drainage hole' area.
I don’t think anyone who is speculating here has a clue what ‘passenger comfort’ type testing was done by Serco and CAF during the development and commissioning process. Including me.
Agree with you there. There are various things that don't look like great design. Like, why are the shower floor and the coved edge two separate pieces of material, instead of one, introducing a joint that can fail? And why is only one edge coved? I'm surprised that the bottom of the shower isn't a one-piece unit like a fibreglass tray or similar.
Agree with you there. There are various things that don't look like great design. Like, why are the shower floor and the coved edge two separate pieces of material, instead of one, introducing a joint that can fail? And why is only one edge coved? I'm surprised that the bottom of the shower isn't a one-piece unit like a fibreglass tray or similar.
My guess would be that it double as the bathroom - sitting in a shower tray when you go to the toilet of an evening might not be the right vibe either!That was my first thought - why isn't it a deep tray to ensure the water is retained.
And the build quality looks "Cheap As F...."