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I frequently travel from Whittlesford Parkway to Norwich and the train’s southbound I’m on always travel through at 90mph - it actually feels fast because I’m usually on the Foxton to Cambridge run so never go through at that speed.
I'd expect to be doing 90 mph at Shepreth Branch Junction on a down train not stopping at Shelford, but I'd hope to be slowing down before CA143 signal which is just before the site of the new station.

Most up trains I've been on are doing about 60-70 mph through the site of the new station. But I've not been on class 755s, going up road can they hit 90mph before Shepreth Branch Junction from a start at Cambridge?

there is an existing Down Loop just outside Cambridge that AIUI isn't being touched.
That's my understanding too. The down loop starts just north side of Long Road bridge.
 
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I'd expect to be doing 90 mph at Shepreth Branch Junction on a down train not stopping at Shelford, but I'd hope to be slowing down before CA143 signal which is just before the site of the new station.

Most up trains I've been on are doing about 60-70 mph through the site of the new station. But I've not been on class 755s, going up road can they hit 90mph before Shepreth Branch Junction from a start at Cambridge?


That's my understanding too. The down loop starts just north side of Long Road bridge.
Yes it has been on Class 755 - they are rapid and accelerate really quickly to 90mph southbound before Long Rd bridge.

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I'd expect to be doing 90 mph at Shepreth Branch Junction on a down train not stopping at Shelford, but I'd hope to be slowing down before CA143 signal which is just before the site of the new station.

Most up trains I've been on are doing about 60-70 mph through the site of the new station. But I've not been on class 755s, going up road can they hit 90mph before Shepreth Branch Junction from a start at Cambridge?


That's my understanding too. The down loop starts just north side of Long Road bridge.
Won’t there also be an up loop for about 800 metres from the existing buffer stop just south of Hills Rd bridge - so effectively 4 tracks for about the first kilometre south of Cambridge station, and then 3 tracks for the second km.
 

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Yes it has been on Class 755 - they are rapid and accelerate really quickly to 90mph southbound before Long Rd bridge.
Thanks. Maybe I should try that while the existing layout is intact.

Won’t there also be an up loop for about 800 metres from the existing buffer stop just south of Hills Rd bridge - so effectively 4 tracks for about the first kilometre south of Cambridge station, and then 3 tracks for the second km.
Yes, though I think the new up loop won't be much longer than a 12 car train, and definitely less than 800m. I think it converges with the up line somewhere near the end of Purbeck Road.
 
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I made this film of the proceedings last week

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Is there a diagram or plan of how the tracks from Shepreth Junction to Cambridge station will look, it looks like they go back to 3 tracks just before the Long Roade Bridge.

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I made this film of the proceedings last week

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Is there a diagram or plan of how the tracks from Shepreth Junction to Cambridge station will look, it looks like they go back to 3 tracks just before the Long Roade Bridge.

Page 18 has it. The merge is moved significantly further north, but it's still 2 tracks from Shepreth Branch Jn to Cambridge South, then 4 tracks through Cambridge South station, then briefly reducing to 2 tracks again beofre the existing Down Loop just south of Cambridge station, which is untouched by the project. I'm not 100% familiar with Lond Roade Bridge (can't see it on the plans), but the portals look to be located immediately north of the station, and so it will still have separate tracks for the Down loop and Down main as they have overlap restrictions and also a straighter alignment to permit a faster departure. The tracks will also still be flared from the Island platform if it's the point I think it is.
 

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I'm not 100% familiar with Lond Roade Bridge (can't see it on the plans)
Long Road bridge I think. That’s the next one north from the new station site after the busway bridge. An older bridge than the others in the area and very much restricted to two tracks.

If EWR does come in from the south then I assume it will need to be replaced.

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Here are a few photos from yesterday evening. Looks wet!

Can’t see any obvious changes on the station site itself since last week, but there is work going on to create a crossing in the busway to allow the footpath under the busway bridge to be closed.
 

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Photos from earlier today. Some progress visible on the busway crossing, but couldn’t see much change on the station itself. Looked like more equipment and OHLE parts were about so maybe they are getting ready for a busy time next weekend.
 

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Lots of progress and activity this week.

It looks like some (time lapse?) cameras have been installed on the busway bridge, so maybe we will get official video or images soon.

Concrete has now been poured for the new busway crossing.

Not much change to the site north of the busway, although there was a engineering train waiting there.

Lots and lots of activity on the station itself - including more work on the platform edge visible here.

P.S. Is there a way to stop subsequent posts being auto merged other than waiting for a reply? I have more photos from today and they are more exciting, but it is a bit unwieldy to do all in one post.
 

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P.S. Is there a way to stop subsequent posts being auto merged other than waiting for a reply? I have more photos from today and they are more exciting, but it is a bit unwieldy to do all in one post.


I could try posting a message!

The main activity today under the Addenbrookes Bridge is that about quarter mile of track on the up line has been taken up and is being relaid.
 

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Hi everyone,

I've been quite busy recently hence being quiet, but I'm back to answer some of your questions.
At the moment with the service levels and pattern it is more efficient to keep it to 2 tracks - it simplifies installation, maintenance and crossing moves.

When EWR comes in it will likely 9but not definitely) go to 4 tracks as the greater service level will drive infrastructure changes at Cambridge that affect the conflicting movements at the south end of the station.
Correct. Each project needs to focus on delivering it's fundamental reqirements, even if this does result in some wasted effort between projects.

With CSIE, we're in construction, whereas East-West rail is still in the early stages. At present, we know that, if it does come through on a South alignmnt, then the FTN node will need to move a second time, some of the new S&C we are installing will need to come back out again, and there will be several areas where our works will be removed. There will also be a few changes to the station itself.
However, we don't yet know whether EW rail is definately coming at all, if it is whether it's coming South, and even then if it's going to be subject to further review/delay/re-planning/whatever etc as it goes through it's next stages. Anything could happen yet. So we need to focus our project on our goals. Sure, we're allowing for EW rail in various places where it's easy to do so (and there are some instances where this is definately happening with what we're installing), but not in any major sense which would cost any significant additional money.

Also, the land take we have is what we need for our permanent arrangement. EW rail would need more for the additional tracks, and that's a huge new legal process which takes a lot of time, so we just can't wait for that.

At best EW rail is 5 or 6 or more years behind CSIE.

Does anybody know what the line speed will be through the new station?

It’s currently 90mph on both lines - will these speeds remain?

Will the up line through platform 1 still be 90mph; I’m guessing the existing down line will become the second up line (platform 2) so may reduce speed limit?

And the new lines to the west which will be the down lines (platforms 3 and 4) be slower say 70mph or 50mph?
80mph on the main lines (Central two - P2/3), 60mph on the loops.
The reduction is due to the increased frequency of traffic and the reduction in signal separation.

There aren't any 'extra lines' so to speak. There will be a much longer merge for Shepreth Branch Jn that will have the appearance of 3-track but isn't, and there is an existing Down Loop just outside Cambridge that AIUI isn't being touched.
Correct. Cambridge Down loop remains untouched.
New '3rd' track at Shepreth is purely for the higher speed merge fron the Royston lines.

Yes, though I think the new up loop won't be much longer than a 12 car train, and definitely less than 800m. I think it converges with the up line somewhere near the end of Purbeck Road.
Hills road loop isn't really a new loop in the normal sense - it's not anything long to park trains in - that's not it's purpose at all. it's just a new crosover to add a parallel move to Cambridge station. It enables trains to exit the sidings or platform 8 whilst another one goes into platform 7 for example.
It doesn't go as far as Purbeck road.
 
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Hi everyone,

I've been quite busy recently hence being quiet, but I'm back to answer some of your questions.

Correct. Each project needs to focus on delivering it's fundamental reqirements, even if this does result in some wasted effect between projects.

With CSIE, we're in construction, whereas East-West rail is still in the early stages. At present, we know that, if it does come through on a South alignmnt, then the FTN node will need to move a second time, some of the new S&C we are installing will need to come back out again, and there will be several areas where our works will be removed. There will also be a few changes to the station itslef.
However, we don't yet know whether EW rail is definately coming at all, if it is whether it's coming South, and even then if it's going to be subject to further reiew/delay/re-planning/whatever etc as it goes through it's next stages. Anything could happen yet. So we need to focus our project on our goals. Sure, we're allowing for EW rail in various places where it's easy to do so (and there are some instances where this is happening happening), but not in any major sense which would cost any significant additional money.

Also, the land take we have is what we need for our permanent arrangement. EW rail would need more for the additional trakcs, and that's a huge newlegal process which takes a lt of time, so we just can;t wait for that.

At best EW rail is 5 or 6 or more years behind CSIE.



80mph on the main lines (Central two - P2/3), 60mph on the loops.
The reduction is due to the increased frequency of traffic and the reduction in signal separation.


Correct. Cambridge Down loop remains untouched.
New '3rd' track at Shepreth is purely for the higher speed merge fron the Royston lines.


Hills road loop isn't really a new loop in the normal sense - it's not anything long to park trains in - that's not it's purpose at all. it's just a new crosover to add a parallel move to Cambridge station. It enables trains to exit the sidings or platform 8 whilst another one goes into platform 7 for example.
It doesn't go as far as Purbeck road.
Thanks for the update - will the new 80mph limit just be through the station or for the full stretch from where the 90mph currently starts just south of Hills Rd bridge through to immediately south of Shepreth junction?

In practice I guess that few trains will not stop here - my guess is just the long distance Stansted Airport to Birmingham New Street won’t stop together with possibly some of the off peak fasts between King’s Lynn/Ely and London King’s Cross.
 

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I could try posting a message!

The main activity today under the Addenbrookes Bridge is that about quarter mile of track on the up line has been taken up and is being relaid.
Much obliged.

I happen to have photos of that too. And then I saw a crane in the distance…
 

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Great photos as always neill.

FYI the black stuff being installed into the bottom of the excavation is geocells:

This is a plastic web filled with sand for better support / load distribution and also protection against clays migrating upwards into the ballast layer.
 

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Final set of photos from yesterday from me.

There was a crane working at Shepreth junction. Looked like it was lifting the telecoms cabinet/room, presumably to the new concrete pad just south of the junction.
 

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Hills road loop isn't really a new loop in the normal sense - it's not anything long to park trains in - that's not it's purpose at all. it's just a new crosover to add a parallel move to Cambridge station. It enables trains to exit the sidings or platform 8 whilst another one goes into platform 7 for example.
It doesn't go as far as Purbeck road.
Thanks for the clarification. I'd estimated Purbeck Road by counting OHL masts. And I'd incorrectly assumed that the new loop would also be accessible for trains departing from platform 7. Restricting it to platform 8 and the sidings only means it can start much nearer to the station.
 

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Thanks for the update - will the new 80mph limit just be through the station or for the full stretch from where the 90mph currently starts just south of Hills Rd bridge through to immediately south of Shepreth junction?

In practice I guess that few trains will not stop here - my guess is just the long distance Stansted Airport to Birmingham New Street won’t stop together with possibly some of the off peak fasts between King’s Lynn/Ely and London King’s Cross.

Exact locations for the changes of speed are still subject to review etc and it's also something I can't really share yet, sorry. Ask me again in about 9 months.. :)

As for which trains will and won't stop at the station - that's very firmly in the area I cannot share any details about I'm afraid.
 

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Those look like pre-cast platform edges to me! AFAIK the copers go over the top of the pre-cast units with a noticeable amount jutting out.
I’ve been wondering about this. AIUI from one of the planning drawings, (linked earlier), the side visible from the train, with the black coating applied, will be hidden on the inside of the eventual centre island. There’s still repositioning of the individual tracks due yet.
 

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Yes, you are indeed correct. The pre-cast units you can see are the start of what will eventually be platform 3. Copers go on top of these, with the sticking out.
The black is a water-proofing on the back of the units as that will eventually be infilled to create the island platform, so the train you were on is on track that is doomed... :)
 

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Yes, you are indeed correct. The pre-cast units you can see are the start of what will eventually be platform 3. Copers go on top of these, with the sticking out.
The black is a water-proofing on the back of the units as that will eventually be infilled to create the island platform, so the train you were on is on track that is doomed... :)
Ah, thanks for confirming, I was in two minds for a while, but eventually realised the black stuff must be the waterproofing.

The supplementary question is therefore about the new OHLE gantries. Will they also be altered in due course?
 

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All 'old' OLE equipment between the addenbrookes road bridge and the guided busway bridge will be removed by the project.

A few of the new gantries that have gone in, especially in the middle between the two bridges, are temporary to facilitate staging. All new ones North of the guided busway bridge are permanent.
 

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All 'old' OLE equipment between the addenbrookes road bridge and the guided busway bridge will be removed by the project.

A few of the new gantries that have gone in, especially in the middle between the two bridges, are temporary to facilitate staging. All new ones North of the guided busway bridge are permanent.
Thanks again for confirming. It did look to me as though once the P2/3 island was completed, (about 9m to the left of the row of wall sections?), they’d be getting much closer to those new stanchions.
 

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I'm loving the idea of the new station, but not the southern approach of EWR.
Done to death by the other thread e.g.
Fair enough - but it would remove a noisy bunch of opponents which itself is no bad thing (think: Justine Greening's decision to add much more tunnelling to HS2). What would be required at Cambridge South to allow the reversals to take place there?
It removes one set of NIMBYs and replaces them with another so, again, no benefit.

I have already explained the works that would be needed earlier in this thread, but in summary: (a) four-tracking the West Anglia Mainline between Cambridge and Cambridge South and then either (b) rebuilding Cambridge South station with more platforms (requiring more legally protected land from the park) and potentially grade separated approaches to avoid conflicts or (c) send the trains further south to terminate elsewhere (which means further works and extra cost elsewhere and blows up the ‘reverse at Cambridge South before heading back up to Ely/Newmarket’ suggestion).

In other words, you’d have to do all the most expensive and complex bits of the southern approach on top of the northern approaches works and it still gives you less overall flexibility for pathing and timetabling.
 

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Some photos from earlier today. The edge for platform 3 has been extended and the OLE to the north of the busway bridge is now partially wired up. There was lots more activity down by Addenbrookes road but I did not have time to go have a look there today.

Anyone have any ideas what the blue pipes are for?
 

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Question for people who know more: Are we going to continue having bus replacement most weekends for the whole of the next 3(?) Years whilst they build this? ( + Possibly another X years as they rip it all up again to build EWR!)

Getting pretty b****** annoying not have a weekend train service on either line most of the time.
 

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Won't just be Cambridge South construction but re-signalling for Cambridge PSB (and someother bits) in that area as well.
 

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