Might be a stupid question...I haven't got my car drivers license can I still apply to be a trainee driver? If I can apply would it be a big disadvantage to have car driving experience? Cheers
What makes you say that? It very much depends on at what stage of the recruitment process you’re told to declare such things, and indeed how specific you need to be with said declaration and how long ago the conviction was (irrespective of if it’s spent).If you don't have a driving licence because of a drink/drug driving ban or it has been revoked for medical reasons then it is very unlikely you will get to become a trainee driver in the current climate.
Might be a stupid question...I haven't got my car drivers license can I still apply to be a trainee driver? If I can apply would it be a big disadvantage to have car driving experience? Cheers
What makes you say that? It very much depends on at what stage of the recruitment process you’re told to declare such things, and indeed how specific you need to be with said declaration and how long ago the conviction was (irrespective of if it’s spent).
Drink driving is a criminal offence not a driving offence ... since about 1995 I think ?
CJ is right, it is not spent until 5 years have passed. On a basic (or whatever it is called) dbs check you do not have to declare it after 5 years.11 years for the DBS
Might be a stupid question...I haven't got my car drivers license can I still apply to be a trainee driver? If I can apply would it be a big disadvantage to have car driving experience? Cheers
CJ is right, it is not spent until 5 years have passed. On a basic (or whatever it is called) dbs check you do not have to declare it after 5 years.
It only stays on a driving license for 11 which has nothing to do with anyone except yourself and your insurers.
You only have to declare UNSPENT convictions to an employer. (Certain exceptions apply but not likely in this case)Dbs is exempt from the rehabilitation of offenders act. Single convictions with no custodial sentence (served or suspended) which was committed as adult won’t filter for 11 years .... 5.5 for juvenile convictions .... you are obliged to disclose anything that will appear on your dbs to an employer
I’d say less so than the drink driving conviction you mentioned. You won’t have to declare anything until the medical stage and if you pass the medical you’re passed as fit to drive trains, irrespective of your driving licence to drive a road vehicle. I understand that if your driving licence has been revoked for medical reasons it’s quite serious, so the medical may be an issue, but I guess it all depends on the nature of why it was revoked and how long ago?With revoked driving licences this is a totally different issue. My brother once had his driving licence revoked for medical reasons - again this would potentially open up a can of worms with applying to be a train driver.
You only have to declare UNSPENT convictions to an employer. (Certain exceptions apply but not likely in this case)
im currently in the run for TPE, just waiting to have a DMI having passed the psychometric tests. I don't drive.Might be a stupid question...I haven't got my car drivers license can I still apply to be a trainee driver? If I can apply would it be a big disadvantage to have car driving experience? Cheers
For a basic disclosure, be it through Disclosure Scotland or DBS (both can be used in England), applicants are only ever told to declare convictions classed as unspent, unless told that the RoOA doesn’t apply. The PNC will only show certain convictions, too. For example you could be prosecuted for a RailWay Byelaw offence and as it’s non-recordable, it won’t be visible. However if you’re asked wither you’ve ever, in the last five years been convicted of a criminal offence, you should be saying you have been.I see you’re in Scotland ... the law is different in Scotland to that in England .... for example in Scotland they still “weed” aged convictions from the PNC .. that means thst minor and isolated convictions are deleted automatically when they reach a certain age.
This does not happen anymore in England .... they stay on pnc for 100 years even if you are dead .... Albeit such stuff is only visible to select few intel agencies .... so disclosure Scotland it prob won’t show up .. but on basic DBS it will until the dbs filter kicks in at 11 years ... and you should declare anything that will appear on the dbs certificate whether it has relevance or not. Spent and unspent doesn’t apply
For a basic disclosure, be it through Disclosure Scotland or DBS (both can be used in England), applicants are only ever told to declare convictions classed as unspent, unless told that the RoOA doesn’t apply. The PNC will only show certain convictions, too. For example you could be prosecuted for a RailWay Byelaw offence and as it’s non-recordable, it won’t be visible. However if you’re asked wither you’ve ever, in the last five years been convicted of a criminal offence, you should be saying you have been.
I was speaking about England but meant the same as you just said....I just didn’t word it very well. I was just using that as an example.Not sure if you’re talking about Scotland here, but in England you’re entitled not to disclose any spent conditions, even if specifically asked.
So if you were asked for convictions in the last five years, had a conviction (say) four years ago that had become spent after two years, there would be no requirement to disclose it.
ThankMight be a stupid question...I haven't got my car drivers license can I still apply to be a trainee driver? If I can apply would it be a big disadvantage to have car driving experience? Cheers
Thanksthere is nothing that says you must have a driving license to drive a train however they will ask you the question, how will you get to work if your duty starts at 4am or finishes at 2am.
some companies put on staff taxi’s but I’d think it be a big advantage for the company to know you can get to work by your own means.
Yes.
At least on TOCS where there is no pool car/van driving involved.
You may well be asked how you'd get to/from work at unsocial hours, but obvs that depends where you live. If you live a 5 min walk from depot then clearly no issue. If you live 15 miles away in very rural area with zero public transport, then they'd want assurance there is a credible plan.
I've alway been surprised how many train drivers don't have a car licence.
Thanks for you reply good to knowim currently in the run for TPE, just waiting to have a DMI having passed the psychometric tests. I don't drive.
Thanks for you reply good to knowim currently in the run for TPE, just waiting to have a DMI having passed the psychometric tests. I don't drive.
Thanks for you reply good to knowTaking the initial question at face value, I was never once asked if I had a car driving license or how I would get to work.
Total and utter rubbish!Dbs is exempt from the rehabilitation of offenders act. Single convictions with no custodial sentence (served or suspended) which was committed as adult won’t filter for 11 years .... 5.5 for juvenile convictions .... you are obliged to disclose anything that will appear on your dbs to an employer
Total and utter rubbish!
Where do you get the 11 years from? A DD conviction stays on your driving license for 11 years and has nothing whatsoever to do with the RoOA.
For the example mentioned (drink driving), you would have a declarable unspent conviction for 5 years from the conviction date.
After 5 years you would not have to declare the conviction for a basic DBS check because it is deemed as spent.
Thanks for you reply good to know
Thanks for you reply good to know