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[Carto Metro] Glasgow subway detailled track map

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carto.metro

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Hello,

I'm working on a detailed track map of the Glasgow subway:
https://cartometro.com/cartes/metro-glasgow/

It's slightly smaller than London (and i'll not add the NR track for now !) but I still may have made some mistakes.
Also, the extension of the depot is maybe not fully complete ?

Thank you for comments and advice,
Franklin
 
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Slightly off topic but I love your London Tube map and is actually quite useful for journey planning
 

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Something I don't realise before, was that the depot is built on footprint of older railways
 

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Lovely! Just the information I need. Thank you!
PS: I am very surprised that there aren't any crossovers except the section between Govan and Ibrox...
 
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Something I don't realise before, was that the depot is built on footprint of older railways

Depot and test track was build on the old Govan Branch. Don't know when the Govan branch closed, but the depot was built from 1977 as part of the Glasgow modernisation.
 

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I can't vouch for the accuracy, but it certainly looks great to me! Just to add, your London detailed map is a thing of beauty, thank you for all your continued efforts!

EDIT: Also, Toronto too is a particular favourite, great work.
 
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Depot and test track was build on the old Govan Branch. Don't know when the Govan branch closed, but the depot was built from 1977 as part of the Glasgow modernisation.
Passenger services ended in 1921 although the branch was not formally closed until 1966, the track was lifted in 1970.
 

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Is it 'drive on the left' so the outer rail is clockwise?
I had a go on the subway late 70's. The cars got lighting power from 2 bars on the tunnel walls. You can see them in this pic (in front of the grey band on the walls)
 

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Hello,

I'm working on a detailed track map of the Glasgow subway:
https://cartometro.com/cartes/metro-glasgow/

It's slightly smaller than London (and i'll not add the NR track for now !) but I still may have made some mistakes.
Also, the extension of the depot is maybe not fully complete ?

Thank you for comments and advice,
Franklin
this beautiful! "slightly smaller than London" is a lovely bit of understatement
 

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When it was cable hauled and right up until modernisation in the late-1970s there were no crossovers at all. Both lines were entirely independent.
Indeed, and AIUI the “trains” themselves were one sided, ie they had doors only on one side. I wonder if they swapped them round between inner and outer circuits when lifted out for maintenance?
 

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Indeed, and AIUI the “trains” themselves were one sided, ie they had doors only on one side. I wonder if they swapped them round between inner and outer circuits when lifted out for maintenance?
Surely that would have happened naturally - I wouldn't have thought they would have tried to keep cars on the same circle and didn't they try to even out wheel wear by swapping them between sides anyway?

ISTR that they considered continuing the practice post-modernisation but it was found that the difference in wheel wear was within 5% of the life of the wheels anyway so it wasn't worth deliberately trying to even out use on each circle.
 

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I can add some date details to start explaining evolution around the depot:
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Obviously, a separate map of the "original" Broomloan Depot with lifts area could be interesting but I don't know if I can find a such information.
 

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Hello,

I'm working on a detailed track map of the Glasgow subway:
https://cartometro.com/cartes/metro-glasgow/

It's slightly smaller than London (and i'll not add the NR track for now !) but I still may have made some mistakes.
Also, the extension of the depot is maybe not fully complete ?

Thank you for comments and advice,
Franklin
What a wonderful resource! Thank you
 

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Is it 'drive on the left' so the outer rail is clockwise?
I had a go on the subway late 70's. The cars got lighting power from 2 bars on the tunnel walls. You can see them in this pic (in front of the grey band on the walls)

Did you attach the pic?

Indeed, and AIUI the “trains” themselves were one sided, ie they had doors only on one side. I wonder if they swapped them round between inner and outer circuits when lifted out for maintenance?
How does this work when the map appears to show some island platforms and some 'outside' platforms? Or were new platforms constructed when the railway was updated?
 

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How does this work when the map appears to show some island platforms and some 'outside' platforms? Or were new platforms constructed when the railway was updated?
I worked on the project briefly in the 1970s, the station buildings rebuilding! I actually reported to the chief architect on the buildings side and did a few details on the drawings.

Until 1977 every station was a central island platform. Some were notably small and narrow (as a few of the lesser ones still are).

There were no points at all, probably unique for a railway of this scale.

The original depot building is still very much there, on the depot site, here : 12 Broomloan Rd - Google Maps

The scale of the depot, sidings, etc has gone from one extreme to the other. Originally, with no points, everything was lifted on and off with a large crane; the two circles ran through a large pit under the depot, which just had a series of stub tracks for vehicles to be placed on. Everything was contained within the single depot building, the cars never saw daylight. No test track, nothing. I really don't believe there was enough space for all the vehicles on the stub tracks in there, most were left on the running tracks either side of the pit overnight. This was especially an issue towards the end when they had a lot of non-runners and a minimal service. There was an old small paperback book I used to have, probably bought at the old Glasgow transport museum, which I recall had a depot plan and thus showed the various stubs. Nowadays there seems far more siding space than the fleet they have, the new stock seems to have been readily accommodated alongside the 1970s vehicles without issue.

Contrary to much local belief the vehicles were painted the same red all over; one heard many times the old joke that the offside, never visible from a platform, was not painted at all, or painted black. It didn't have the decals applied of course. Towards the end the wooden bodies had really deteriorated, they could be seen to be visibly flexing at the joints as you went along, and I wouldn't have been surprised if the window glass had fallen out.

The old thing about alternate side usage and wheel wear was also not correct, they didn't consciously bother and it was never an issue. The overall curving of the circles was so large radius as to be of no consequence, and there was this complete lack of points and tight turnouts which is what wears squealing wheels the quickest.

We have discussed the old Subway here before here, use the Search. There are also some characteristic YouTube videos. Most of the staff until the 1977 closure, invariably elderly, were ex-Glasgow tramways, which last ran 15 years beforehand in 1962.
 
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Did you attach the pic?


How does this work when the map appears to show some island platforms and some 'outside' platforms? Or were new platforms constructed when the railway was updated?
Yes, it’s no longer as simple as it was before the major rebuild, as others have since mentioned.
 

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That's an outstanding map! Thanks so much. I like the way it shows where the old Govan (mainline) station was. I had a few walks down there during lockdown trying to work out where it was!
 

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An outstanding resource! Gotta love the attention to detail, notably the stations where a additional platform was built flanking the original island one (at Hillhead, Buchanan Street & Ibrox), plus the arrow indicating the direction of travel for said platform. The dotted outline at the stations where two seperate platforms replaced the original island one (Govan & St. Enoch) is... chief's kiss. Keep up the excellent work OP! :)

BTW, that London map is a work of art. :)
 
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