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20311, 47813 & 20314 made their way to Ely Papworth Sidings today sandwiching some barrier vehicles. Not sure if this is to drag some of the first 317s off to scrap, or to drag another 442 to Eastleigh for component recovery.
Or to take some HST trailers for disposal?
 
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20311, 47813 & 20314 made their way to Ely Papworth Sidings today sandwiching some barrier vehicles. Not sure if this is to drag some of the first 317s off to scrap, or to drag another 442 to Eastleigh for component recovery.
From what I've heard it's not for 317s, it's taking GWR MK3s to Arlington, potentially for scrap or component recovery.
 

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No these are in Wembley..
My Chinese mouse, whispers an 8 car 317 to Wembley tomorrow.
723 732 as last page...
The 317 off lease moves have been GB operated so far so unlikely ROG have turned up at Ely for some if there is other tat there.
 
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From posts elsewhere, the 20s are taking the last Wessex to Eastleigh, 47 is going for an exam.
 

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Could someone clarify if 882 is still with Anglia or has that been withdrawn from service?

I'd be surprised if it had been withdrawn as it's one of the units which either has or is due to receive PRM mods (not sure which I'm afraid!). It's worth noting however that the dispensation for 317s still awaiting mods (but not those which won't be receiving them) expired on the 15th, so any units on the list I posted earlier in the thread which have not yet received mods will not be allowed to run in service until they have had the work done.
 
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20311, 47813 & 20314 made their way to Ely Papworth Sidings today sandwiching some barrier vehicles. Not sure if this is to drag some of the first 317s off to scrap, or to drag another 442 to Eastleigh for component recovery.

Won’t be dragging any 317 as there HST barrier coaches. Will needed to have been a Tightlock loco or T2 translators to be able to move the 317s. More then likely be a 442 move.
 

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What's it called? It's called Cumbernauld
I'd be surprised if it had been withdrawn as it's one of the units which either has or is due to receive PRM mods (not sure which I'm afraid!). It's worth noting however that the dispensation for 317s still awaiting mods (but not those which won't be receiving them) expired on the 15th, so any units on the list I posted earlier in the thread which have not yet received mods will not be allowed to run in service until they have had the work done.

Thanks very much.
 

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Am I right in thinking there are now 3 pairs at Wembley:
714+729, 723+732, 888+890

Or have a gone wrong somewhere/missed something?
 

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20311, 47813 & 20314 made their way to Ely Papworth Sidings today sandwiching some barrier vehicles. Not sure if this is to drag some of the first 317s off to scrap, or to drag another 442 to Eastleigh for component recovery.
I saw them on Sunday 22nd with some GWR carriages in both green and dynamic lines
 

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Could someone clarify if 882 is still with Anglia or has that been withdrawn from service?
Only 317663, 317669 and 317722 are withdrawn. Almost every Anglia 317 has worked since the lockdown timetable started, even though only 10 are required each day.
 

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317709/317710 completed the last ARL Class 317 move today, Northampton to Ilford ECS. Last remaining units 708/709/710 back to ROSCO tonight, 708 failed handback exam last week so has been at Ilford for GA to fix and test.
 

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I'm impressed that Angel want them back in working condition! Though I understand it will form part of the hand-back agreement.
 

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I'm impressed that Angel want them back in working condition! Though I understand it will form part of the hand-back agreement.

I'm imagining a scene with an Angel Trains inspector shaking hands with and thanking a Greater Anglia fleet manager for the excellent handback condition of the Class 317s, while in the background a scrapyard grabber bites chunks out of a Class 317's roof!
 

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I'm imagining a scene with an Angel Trains inspector shaking hands with and thanking a Greater Anglia fleet manager for the excellent handback condition of the Class 317s, while in the background a scrapyard grabber bites chunks out of a Class 317's roof!
And that perfectly sums up how efficiently rail privatisation has worked in the UK
 

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I'm imagining a scene with an Angel Trains inspector shaking hands with and thanking a Greater Anglia fleet manager for the excellent handback condition of the Class 317s, while in the background a scrapyard grabber bites chunks out of a Class 317's roof!
Took the words out of my mouth. What do they actually check at handback? I recall the old Southern units being towed for scrap at Newport. There were still coffee cups on the tables and copies of the Evening Standard on seats. Clearly the cleaners knew which ones were off for scrap.
 

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I'm impressed that Angel want them back in working condition! Though I understand it will form part of the hand-back agreement.
Depends if they are for scrap. Demics for scrap can and are handed back busted and just dragged to the axeman, even if not robbed for spares beforehand.
 

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If leasing is such a bad thing, why is it now widely used elsewhere?
Leasing is fine if the asset has some sort of a value at the end of a lease. As a for instance, a car is normally leased for around three years from new and then sold, for around 40% of its value new - therefore the depreciation can be worked out. If a train is leased until it is only worth scrapping, then it only has scrap value at the end. Leasing isn't fundamentally the issue, what we all forget is that if a train is fixed at a cost of say £20k to then be scrapped purely to meet leasing guidelines, that £20k is being paid for by someone - indirectly the taxpayer or rail traveler. A sensible lease option for when a train is going to be end of life at the end of the lease, is to lease it ot as is done now, and then a final compulsory payment to buy of, say, £100, at which point the operator at the time buys it and then does with it what they wish, primarily scrap it and get the scrap money back to reinvest into services. They could also sell it to heritage lines, community projects, etc, which operators may be more involved with and the operator collects the sale income or donates as they see fit
 

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317511 on route back to Ilford.

Thanks. I see that it arrived at Ilford EMUD at 18:50 and there's a path for what I presume is a light locomotive travelling to Leicester LIP, which left Ilford EMUD 60 minutes early at 19:06. The traincrew and depot staff must be very quick at uncoupling!?! https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/R00484/2020-05-07/detailed
 

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Thanks. I see that it arrived at Ilford EMUD at 18:50 and there's a path for what I presume is a light locomotive travelling to Leicester LIP, which left Ilford EMUD 60 minutes early at 19:06. The traincrew and depot staff must be very quick at uncoupling!?! https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/R00484/2020-05-07/detailed

noticed a few moves today were extremely quick and sometimes at least a hour before scheduled. I assume its just down to less trains so no waiting for the all clear!
 

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I understand 317708 & 710 have now made it to Wembley, can anyone confirm if 709 has as well please?
 

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