class 320 refurb

[me123]

Given that we've not had any word on this yet, I think it's safe to assume that she's still in Doncaster. If Rail-Britain's 8 week estimate on the first unit is correct, she'll probably be released in around a fortnight.

For some bizarre reason, the relivery work is being done in Kilmarnock apparently, so you are correct "ml"; she'll still have her SPT livery for now. I don't know if/when this is booked to happen, but it may be that they won't do this until the 380 situation improves.

 

[rail-britain]

she'll still have her SPT livery for now

For the grade of work being carried out all the previous paint work will now have been removed and will be outshopped in a plain grey undercoat with yellow ends
The work at Kilmarnock will include the external vinyls, flooring panels, internal vinyls, and software programming
I understand a container has now arrived at Kilmarnock with all the hard fixtures

I believe this is the units first C6X exam and similar to the first C6X exam on the Class 318 severe corrosion has been found; this is probably due to these being the only units subject to such wet weather conditions along a prevailing coastline (the Class 318 along Saltcoats and the Class 320 along Bowling)

 

[Blindtraveler]

complex as it mite be, its good that some work is being done in scotland, good for our job sector! there great units and its nice there getting s6e attention. If the 380 problems continue, would a refurbished unit or 2 be used on north berwick?

 

[rail-britain]

If the 380 problems continue, would a refurbished unit or 2 be used on north berwick?

No, the four car Class 380 units will be taking over from Class 322 units irrespective; everything almost in place, they could in effect take over early

 

[MacCookie]

complex as it mite be, its good that some work is being done in scotland, good for our job sector! there great units and its nice there getting s6e attention. If the 380 problems continue, would a refurbished unit or 2 be used on north berwick?

Nope. I doubt that there are any Edinburgh based drivers or guards trained on them.
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No, the four car Class 380 units will be taking over from Class 322 units irrespective; everything almost in place, they could in effect take over early

With no Edinburgh drivers or guards trained on them?

Ewan

 

[CarterUSM]

Nope. I doubt that there are any Edinburgh based drivers or guards trained on them.
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With no Edinburgh drivers or guards trained on them?

Ewan

Or Central Guards, Motherwell Drivers training starting next week or so though.

 

[alexf380]

well they'd better hurry up, the 322s are going next month!

 

[me123]

If the worst comes to the worst, are Edinburgh drivers and guards still trained on 318s? They've been used on North Berwick runs in the past. And what about 334s now? I don't know if anyone would do both A-B runs and North Berwicks, but if they did then that's a possibility. 334s haven't been East of Edinburgh in passenger service, but they have been tested I believe. If you've got drivers who can drive 334s and know the way out to NBW, then it's possible (if you can get guards trained up quickly, of course). Theoretically, if you get enough 380s out in Ayrshire and Inverclyde, I reckon you could cover North Berwick with EMUs.

They could obviously use DMUs as well. I don't think we're going to struggle if the 322s go back home before the 380s appear over in Edinburgh. We'll make do somehow.

 

[rail-britain]

well they'd better hurry up, the 322s are going next month!

Cough, contigency in place

 

[CarterUSM]

If the worst comes to the worst, are Edinburgh drivers and guards still trained on 318s? They've been used on North Berwick runs in the past. And what about 334s now? I don't know if anyone would do both A-B runs and North Berwicks, but if they did then that's a possibility. 334s haven't been East of Edinburgh in passenger service, but they have been tested I believe. If you've got drivers who can drive 334s and know the way out to NBW, then it's possible (if you can get guards trained up quickly, of course). Theoretically, if you get enough 380s out in Ayrshire and Inverclyde, I reckon you could cover North Berwick with EMUs.

They could obviously use DMUs as well. I don't think we're going to struggle if the 322s go back home before the 380s appear over in Edinburgh. We'll make do somehow.

I'd think we'd use DMU's to be honest, 318's traction knowledge long out of competency, guards "can't" work 334's, not to mention that they won't go to NBW DOO anyway, even though i am sure they could technically

 

[route101]

I'd think we'd use DMU's to be honest, 318's traction knowledge long out of competency, guards "can't" work 334's, not to mention that they won't go to NBW DOO anyway, even though i am sure they could technically

Ha remember taking a 318 from Drem ! 158s on the N Berwick at the weekends for a while too.

 

[me123]

I'd think we'd use DMU's to be honest, 318's traction knowledge long out of competency, guards "can't" work 334's, not to mention that they won't go to NBW DOO anyway, even though i am sure they could technically

It's a shame. So many feasible options out the window. Well, DMUs it is. Hopefully there'll be enough 380s in place to allow 334s to take over the rush hour Bathgate runs and let those DMUs run the NBW services (if you follow).

 

[CarterUSM]

It's a shame. So many feasible options out the window. Well, DMUs it is. Hopefully there'll be enough 380s in place to allow 334s to take over the rush hour Bathgate runs and let those DMUs run the NBW services (if you follow).

I am only guessing me123! They might well do something totally different! I am not so sure it will come to that anyway, I think things are close to being ironed out now.

 

[alexf380]

It sounds like alot of the work will be carried out at Kilmarnock. Is there actually any point in the units going down to Doncaster? personally, I think the refurb should be moved to Killie for the rest of the programme

 

[First ScotRail]

The work was oroginally due to be done by Wabtec at Doncaster however shortly after the first unit went south Wabtec announced they were taking over Brush, hence why they are now using Kilmarnock, wasnt possible prior to takeover by wabtec. Wait and see is the ultimate answer i suspect...

 

[Blindtraveler]

Wel the whole refurb programme wil, if dealt with at killie move a lot quicker. Its also gunna be a great resource for all tocs to have an outpost north of the border

 

[cj_1985]

well if the refurb project is moved to kilmarnock thats going to give the virgin 57s and the Scotrail translator carraiges more work...

although from what iv heard the translator vehicles could do with some works attention.. especially to ETH sockets

 

[Damien1986]

Can anyone tell if any class 320 units will be appearing on Argyle Line services from the start of the next timetable?

 

[ianthescot]

Can anyone tell if any class 320 units will be appearing on Argyle Line services from the start of the next timetable?

Doubt it very much as 320 training at Motherwell has now been stopped due to the requirement for 380 training taking precedent and all drivers requiring this to be done asap.

 

[tom1649]

The latest RAIL magazine says that the 322s will be moving to Northern Rail in December. Surely they aren't going to be stored until then?

 

[MacCookie]

The latest RAIL magazine says that the 322s will be moving to Northern Rail in December. Surely they aren't going to be stored until then?

Surely they enter passenger service with Northern in December. Prior to that there will be driver training, so at least some units will need to go down before then.

Ewan

 

[tom1649]

Surely they enter passenger service with Northern in December. Prior to that there will be driver training, so at least some units will need to go down before then.

Ewan

Is the training for the 322s any different from the 321s which Northern already operate?

 

[Damien1986]

I heard on the scot-rail.co.uk website that Motherwell drivers did their class 320 training out of Airdrie!

 

[alexf380]

Jeez, How long does it take to refurbish a -R18-ing train? May! It's gonna be May now...

 

[cj_1985]

the thing to remember is that while the overhaul/refurb will cover certain items... other things like bodywork damage, metal corrosion etc will have to be dealt with... and untill the unit arrived and has had attention reach X, Y or Z area its not going to be known about...

besides the first unit or loco in a overhaul or refurb program always takes the longest as it the one that shows what additional items/areas require attention...

 

[alexf380]

yeah, but the 314s have had pretty much the same work carried out and that only took 7 weeks/ 2 months. this one is taking 12 weeks/ 3 months.
I'm just sayin'

 

[cj_1985]

remembering that we dont know how bad the corrosion etc on the 320s is, and what other little nuggets need unexpected attention...

remembering that the 320s didnt have toilets when delivered...
now if you think back to articles that appeared in RAIL, The Railway Magazine etc when the electrostars were being built... the toilets fitted to them were fitted before the roof had been fitted... now i dont know how the 320s were constructed so i couldnt tell you if they have dont a similar thing here for the toilet fitment... likewise it could be that its not the toilet itself causing the delay but the plumbing, water tanks or wast tank (if one is being fitted)...

the 314 wasnt having a toilet fitted... and i would hazzard a guess that they didnt recieve as heavy an overhaul as the 320s are to recieve... likewise... we dont knwo whether the 320s are having similar internal work or if they are recieving new seats and not just new fabric/padding.

whatever the extra delay is.... im sure its for a good reason...

 

[ianthescot]

I heard on the scot-rail.co.uk website that Motherwell drivers did their class 320 training out of Airdrie!

The Motherwell drivers that have so far done their 320 training all had it done at Airdrie. I believe it was only the link 1 drivers who have been trained so far (conversion from 322s). Link 2 drivers require an extra day for the conversion course.

The 380 training is taking place at Motherwell and runs are being carried out to Carstairs and back.

 

[rail-britain]

yeah, but the 314s have had pretty much the same work carried out and that only took 7 weeks/ 2 months. this one is taking 12 weeks/ 3 months

These are different types of works being carried out, so it is no surprise the Class 320 is taking longer
As is typical the first Class 320 conversion will take longer, but once the issues have been realised subsequent conversions should take less time, so much so that they may take less time than the Class 314 overhauls

 

[alexf380]

Well, I suppose I just got a bit impatient because of all the delays, first in the programme starting and now how long the first unit will take.