Class 321 storage/scrapping

[D365]

They don't need all of the coaches. The 600s will be three-carriage trains.

If it was the trailer coach, sure. But the unit isn’t going anywhere without the motor coach.

 

[Energy]

I'd be interested in knowing how they plan on driving the unit if the motor coach is being binned! Perhaps it's just 448, being as it is the Renatus prototype...

Maybe distributing the traction motors throughout rather than one coach? Should help with acceleration.

 

[Mag_seven]

A reminder that this thread is for the discussion of Class 321 withdrawals.

I've moved some posts that were discussing the Class 321 "Hydrogen Breeze" project (Class 600) over to this thread:

Alstom Class 321 Hydrogen 'Breeze' Updates & Discussion | Page 9 | RailUK Forums (railforums.co.uk)

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Is there an up to date list of what 321's have been stood down/withdrawn?

And are all the 321/9's and 322's working with GA?

 

[robert west]

Is there an up to date list of what 321's have been stood down/withdrawn?

And are all the 321/9's and 322's working with GA?

seen all the 321/9 and 322 in use

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Is there an up to date list of what 321's have been stood down/withdrawn?

And are all the 321/9's and 322's working with GA?

Greater Anglia 321s

Off Lease

321344
321350
321351
321356
321358
321438

Conversion to 600

321437
321448

Scrapped

321357
321446

All others including ex-Northern examples are with Greater Anglia

 

[1D53]

6 of the 8 321/9 & 322 units were in use today.

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Greater Anglia 321s

Off Lease

321344
321350
321351
321356
321358
321438

Conversion to 600

321437
321448

Scrapped

321357
321446

All others including ex-Northern examples are with Greater Anglia

Thank you

If it wasn't for lockdown, I would be getting my piccies in as I used to commute on them regularly during the 1990s

 

[323235]

Indeed, Not my video. I have to say I'm surprised they're chomping through the 321 fleet now (I'd rather see the back of the 319s to be honest!).

Not my video:

What are the operational advantages of a 321 vs a 319? From a rideship point of view I've always considered them to be very similar , they were built around the same time.

 

[Islineclear3_1]

What are the operational advantages of a 321 vs a 319? From a rideship point of view I've always considered them to be very similar , they were built around the same time.

319s had pick-up shoes so that they could run on the DC south of London to places like Guildford, Sevenoaks and Brighton. North of London, they ran on AC only. They were also purpose-built to run through the (then) reopened Snow Hill tunnel

321s were AC-only and were direct replacements for elderly slam door Class 302/305/307/308 and 309

 

[Class 170101]

Another scrap move tomorrow by the looks of it. A light Class 37 was seen earlier today heading this way.

Realtime Trains - 593O 0957 Clacton C.S.D. to Newport Docks (Simsgroup)

Realtime Trains provides live realtime running information for the Great British railway network using open data.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

 

[gallafent]

321s were AC-only and were direct replacements for elderly slam door Class 302/305/307/308 and 309

And 310, sort of (To be accurate, 317s replaced the 310s directly in 1987ish, but were themselves replaced by 321s within about 2 years).

 

[Bikeman78]

And 310, sort of (To be accurate, 317s replaced the 310s directly in 1987ish, but were themselves replaced by 321s within about 2 years).

To be pedantic, no 310s or 312s went for scrap as a result of the 321s being introduced. Various cascades took place with all 310s and most 312s ending up on the LTS route.

 

[tricky18jan]

Another scrap move tomorrow by the looks of it. A light Class 37 was seen earlier today heading this way.

Realtime Trains - 593O 0957 Clacton C.S.D. to Newport Docks (Simsgroup)

Realtime Trains provides live realtime running information for the Great British railway network using open data.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

Runni my approx 40 mins early just now

can anyone confirm what is being hauled to scrappy ?

thanks
Rich

 

[3973EXL]

5Q76 posted on se-gen as 37884 321350 321351

 

[Spirit555]

37884 with 321350 and 321351

Mark

 

[tricky18jan]

Thank you both for confirming

 

[3973EXL]

STP move 09/02

Realtime Trains - FRGT 0827 Clacton C.S.D. to Newport Docks (Simsgroup)

 

[OTRail]

STP move 09/02

Realtime Trains - FRGT 0827 Clacton C.S.D. to Newport Docks (Simsgroup)

Wow the 321s sure seem to be going for scrap quickly - especially considering the poor reliability of the 720s...

 

[3973EXL]

Wow the 321s sure seem to be going for scrap quickly - especially considering the poor reliability of the 720s...

Probably need to be out of the way before the Clacton works start!

 

[Islineclear3_1]

What units are on tomorrows scrap move please?

 

[reddragon]

According to RAIL 924

Anglian 321s off lease are: - 334,44-45,48-52,56,58,63-64,66 / 422,25,35,38,42

334 is destined for Wabtec for other work

 

[Railperf]

Wow the 321s sure seem to be going for scrap quickly - especially considering the poor reliability of the 720s...

There is a reduced timetable - Southend Branch is down to 1 train per hour off-peak. That's a lot of trains sitting around that are not needed. I guess GA are banking on introducing a fair few more 720's before lockdown eases. The availability of extra test paths gives them a chance to get the 720's doing more mileage accumulation on the GEML and train a few more drivers too.

 

[Wolfie]

There is a reduced timetable - Southend Branch is down to 1 train per hour off-peak. That's a lot of trains sitting around that are not needed. I guess GA are banking on introducing a fair few more 720's before lockdown eases. The availability of extra test paths gives them a chance to get the 720's doing more mileage accumulation on the GEML and train a few more drivers too.

Just strange how fast things shift sometimes. It's only weeks ago that they brought in extra 321/322s from Northern.

 

[samuelmorris]

Just strange how fast things shift sometimes. It's only weeks ago that they brought in extra 321/322s from Northern.

That are PRM modified. The units that have been withdrawn are not.

 

[Wolfie]

That are PRM modified. The units that have been withdrawn are not.

Ah, sensible then. TY.

 

[Alfie1014]

STP move 09/02

Realtime Trains - FRGT 0827 Clacton C.S.D. to Newport Docks (Simsgroup)

Going to have to keep the branch open tomorrow if this is to run, been pretty much closed all day beyond Thorpe le Soken today even after ploughing it twice, the snow drifts keep returning and we’ve had another 3 ins or so this evening.

 

[D6130]

Just strange how fast things shift sometimes. It's only weeks ago that they brought in extra 321/322s from Northern.

It seems rather ironic that the GA 321s are being scrapped en masse,when their Scottish contemporaries, the 320s, are in the process of being refurbished for a further 15-20 years' service.

 

[D365]

It seems rather ironic that the GA 321s are being scrapped en masse,when their Scottish contemporaries, the 320s, are in the process of being refurbished for a further 15-20 years' service.

The 320s are being used rather differently, no?

 

[Wyrleybart]

319s had pick-up shoes so that they could run on the DC south of London to places like Guildford, Sevenoaks and Brighton. North of London, they ran on AC only. They were also purpose-built to run through the (then) reopened Snow Hill tunnel

321s were AC-only and were direct replacements for elderly slam door Class 302/305/307/308 and 309

More importantly, class 319 have a 750V DC bus cable through the train which I believe was the main bonus for Flex conversion. The diesel gensets under each driving car would share the output via the bus, theoretically making the diesel output a virtual 3rd rail supply.

Being AC units with a single pantograph > transformer > motor car control system > traction motors there is no DC bus on class 321, hence not so useful as a Flex type conversion