Class 345 progress

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  1. theblackwatch

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    They'll be in service which means they won't all be on the depot all the time...
     
  2. samuelmorris

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    Are TfL planning to store some units in stations overnight when the service isn't operating? If not it shouldn't technically matter whether the service is running or not.
     
  3. matt_world2004

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    360s are being stored in the heathrow express depot not the crossrail one. So shouldnt effect storage space.
     
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    Plumstead sidings presumably won’t be in use yet, because they’re not accessible through the core yet, and surely Ilford will get some but is probably still holding significant numbers of TfL Rail trains yet to be off-leased. There’s also Maidenhead - are any berthed there yet?
     
  5. matt_world2004

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    They would last longer in a tunnel, protected from the elements and vandals than they would be in a siding.
     
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    Is there any reason why they can’t be shortened to 7 cars like some have already and used to replace the remaining 315’s? Will provide a capacity boost straight away... as the 315’s are really not enjoyable in the rush hour
     
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    I posted this on the thread "Crossrail opening delayed until...." but I think it may be interesting here too.

    The monthly report from Mark Wild is now on the TfL website:
    http://content.tfl.gov.uk/florence-eshalomi-monthly-update-june-19.pdf

    It has some news on the progress with testing trains
     
  8. samuelmorris

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    The one that's going away?

    Originally this was because they would all have to be instantly swapped for 9-cars when the tunnels opened and there were only so many units they could juggle at short notice. Lengthening the units again is not an instantaneous process.
     
  9. matt_world2004

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    At no point will class 360s be stored in the crossrail depot
     
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    More likely sidings on the network. I'm surprised anyone thinks all the units will be returned to depot each night with lots of ECS mileage.
     
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    Plumstead not being available is one issues (about 6 units) and some more 315s than expected still being in used because of the delays including the LST platform works.
     
  12. hwl

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    Indeed the total number of 9 car units required effectively overnight means there is no real reason to change the current number.
    The revised phasing with 5a from this December makes the 7 to 9 car conversion process more problematic overall.

    Many of the remaining 315s are leased for another 18 months
     
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    There have been I think four berthed at Maidenhead for the last couple of months.
     
  14. samuelmorris

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    Probably not, my point was though, isn't the Heathrow express depot being torn down for HS2, the main reason for replacing the 332s with 387s? In which case the 360s will have to be done away with by the time that work starts.
     
  15. matt_world2004

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    Yeah, they will likely be done away with by december, but currently they are not taki g up depot space that can be used by Crossrail rolling stock. As ooc crossrail depot is operated by bombardier I dont think the class 360s can be stored there anyway. They also remain the property of heathrow express and drivers that drive them report to the hex depot. (Although are MTR employees =
     
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    Oh I see, yes of course, they don't displace any 345s from being stored do they.

    Isn't Ilford a Bombardier facility yet stores all manner of GA rolling stock? (At least for now)
     
  17. matt_world2004

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    I believe as part of their maintenance contract with tfl they also took on the maintenance of the class 315s and signed a similar contract with GA. I could be wrong.. the class 360s are still maintained by Siemens. The short notice nature of the 360s covering for the 345s probably means that they were probably not covered in the original contract
     
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    I haven't been following this thread but had my first ride on a 345 on the "Eastern" section this morning. Surprised to see so many 315's still knocking about...
     
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    Did it get the juices flowing, or was it just another commuter train? But newish!
     
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    After 378s and 700s, no it didn't "get the juices going...t'was just another commuter train". But I was revisiting my old stamping ground and most of the stations were virtually unrecognisable from 20- 25 years ago... But I had the experience of a 345 going and a 315 return and guess which one was the cooler set...?
     
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    Is there a list on this thread of Class 345 entry to service dates please?
     
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    I believe it's about 60/40 315 to 345 in the peak, as stated earlier there can be no more until the tunnels open due to the restriction on how many 7-cars can be kept aside at once.
     
  23. Peter Mugridge

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    That's correct; the nearest two to the main line are 345 026 and 345 045 but I haven't clocked the numbers on the far two yet.
     
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    The plan with storing trains once the full Elizabeth line is open, to my best understanding is all trains to either be in a siding or depot every night - no stabling at stations. Mostly is also where all the driver depots are:
    • Shenfield sidings
    • Gidea Park sidings
    • Ilford depot
    • Alderbrook carriage sidings (Ilford)
    • Plumstead sidings
    • Old Oak Common depot, which is the main hub for the Elizabeth line fleet
    • Maidenhead sidings
    All of this *should* be able to host a full fleet of 70 class 345 trains at nine car length.
     
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    The one I would query is Aldersbrook as I don't think 9 car units would fit there - certainly not without some work.
     
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    Isn't work happening at Aldersbrook to lengthen this eventually to nine coaches, possibly by removing a siding or two or did I just imagine that?
     
  27. hwl

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    I don't think both of us are imagining things!
    Timing wise it is more useful to have as is to store more 7car 345s and 2x 315s hence works timing some what related to the 7/9 car change?
     
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    There are no plans to lengthen Aldersbrook CS, in fact it would be rather difficult, and simply isn't needed when 9 cars appear on the East.

    Aldersbrook CS can only be accessed via the up main line through Ilford station. A signalled route from Forest Gate Jn would be more useful but expensive for the use it would get.
     
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    Surprised no one noticed the new 7 car yet ....
     
  30. hwl

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    The one mentioned a few pages ago?
     

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