Class 387

[JN114]

Saw 57310 arriving with units 137 and 139 yesterday afternoon at W.Ealing sidings. Not sure which two went to Reading in the morning though?
I noticed 140 / 144 were still at NP also.

None went to Reading - 137 and 139 were moving from Reading TCD - North Pole; via West Ealing LMD for Loco to detach.

 

[FGW_DID]

387147 should be getting delivered today to Reading. From a TOPS list this morning 37800 looked like it was heading towards Bletchley sonpresume that will do the honours.

 

[3973EXL]

Saw 57310 arriving with units 137 and 139 yesterday afternoon at W.Ealing sidings. Not sure which two went to Reading in the morning though?
I noticed 140 / 144 were still at NP also.

I think, from memory, it was 132 & 133.

I saw both the down and return up workings in the Twyford area.

 

[FGW_DID]

I think, from memory, it was 132 & 133.

I saw both the down and return up workings in the Twyford area.

No, it was a one way move yesterday, the day before however, 387132 / 133 came to Reading and 387142 / 145 went to West Ealing.

 

[3973EXL]

No, it was a one way move yesterday, the day before however, 387132 / 133 came to Reading and 387142 / 145 went to West Ealing.

The original post by spark001uk post was referring to Tuesday.

 

[spark001uk]

387147 should be getting delivered today to Reading. From a TOPS list this morning 37800 looked like it was heading towards Bletchley sonpresume that will do the honours.

Confirmed, 37800 - 387147 just passed me on DR at Hanwell.

The original post by spark001uk post was referring to Tuesday.

That's right yes.

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EDIT : I see 140/144 have now been joined by 142/145. Getting busy at NP again!

 

[wls1]

c2c 387 diagrams changing from the may timetable.

Mainly because of one of the diagrams in the morning being chronically overcrowded and they're returning it to 357s.

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/L68662/2017/05/22/advanced

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/L68665/2017/05/22/advanced

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/L68668/2017/05/22/advanced

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/L68664/2017/05/22/advanced

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/L68663/2017/05/22/advanced

 

[MatthewRead]

c2c 387 diagrams changing from the may timetable.

Mainly because of one of the diagrams in the morning being chronically overcrowded and they're returning it to 357s.

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/L68662/2017/05/22/advanced

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/L68665/2017/05/22/advanced

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/L68668/2017/05/22/advanced

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/L68664/2017/05/22/advanced

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/L68663/2017/05/22/advanced

Are all the C2C 387's just confined to peak periods?

 

[wls1]

Yes, after may change one 12 car set will continue further into the morning.

 

[hozza94]

c2c 387 diagrams changing from the may timetable.

Mainly because of one of the diagrams in the morning being chronically overcrowded and they're returning it to 357s.

But what is the main difference between 357s and 387s in terms of coping with large crowds?

 

[MCR247]

357s with 2+3 have more seats

 

[spark001uk]

And there was I thinking the c2c 387s were being brought in to ease the crowds!

 

[MCR247]

To be fair they were bought buy the ROSCO as a speculative order, c2c came involved after they were ordered. They were therefore built in the same spec as the rest of the 387s

 

[wls1]

The services they run on, one was a 8 coach train strengthened to a 12 car and then became dangerously overcrowded for some reason, and the other was a switch from 357s to 387s a with 4 less stops but is much more overcrowded.

The 387s never did anything to solve the overcrowding in the morning. If anything the Jan timetable and the 387s made things worse.

 

[Expression357]

And there was I thinking the c2c 387s were being brought in to ease the crowds!

They did, by allowing 6x357s to be used elsewhere in the timetable - strengthening from 8-car 357 to 12-car 357 etc and in some cases on the Tilbury's from 4 to 8. So those services benefited.

However, the challenge of which services to allocate the Class 387s themselves to, with the 2+2 seating was never straightforward.

 

[Class 170101]

Also only a few drivers sign Class 387s and they should eb on limited mileage diagrams.

 

[wls1]

The way they introduced them was in ways to use the least money as possible.

They only trained a handful of drivers on them,
Only 1 387 stop marker on each platform, which is an S stop. When they entered service, they ran as 8 car and they had to stop at the end of the platforms.
They're not allowed to stop at any of the loop stations
Only limited uses per day to reduce the amount of cleaning that they have to do,
Not fitting any Wi-Fi apart from the one in the cabs for the drivers.

The introduction of 387s also coincided with the removal of all c2c guards on trains.

 

[Expression357]

The way they introduced them was in ways to use the least money as possible.

They only trained a handful of drivers on them,
Only 1 387 stop marker on each platform, which is an S stop. When they entered service, they ran as 8 car and they had to stop at the end of the platforms.
They're not allowed to stop at any of the loop stations
Only limited uses per day to reduce the amount of cleaning that they have to do,
Not fitting any Wi-Fi apart from the one in the cabs for the drivers.

The introduction of 387s also coincided with the removal of all c2c guards on trains.

The Class 387s only came with a limited mileage condition on the lease. This restricted the number of services it could operate - nothing to do with on train cleaning.

Stop markers were a consequence of the difference in the viewing position of the marker out of the window which is different compared to the 357.

Tilbury Loop is a response to gauging - which wasn't able to be sorted on the short time to introduce.

As for 12-car DOO - that was planned anyway. The equipment for monitor banks at the 12-car positions were being sorted long before the 387 introduction.

Remember there were no plans for new rolling stock in the Essex Thameside franchise until 2019-20, so anything that coincided with 387 introduction is purely coincidental.

 

[JN114]

The way they introduced them was in ways to use the least money as possible.

That's a very bold claim...

They only trained a handful of drivers on them,

They only operate 3 circuits per day; very few opportunities to retain traction knowledge.

Only 1 387 stop marker on each platform, which is an S stop. When they entered service, they ran as 8 car and they had to stop at the end of the platforms.

The intention was only to operate them as 12 car; why put in 4 and 8 car stop marks that introduces an inherent stop-short risk.

They're not allowed to stop at any of the loop stations.

Not allowed, or no intention to run them that way thus no effort made to get them cleared to?

Only limited uses per day to reduce the amount of cleaning that they have to do.

Tangible - from what I've seen of c2c's operation opportunity to clean during the day is minimal as it is; I'm reasonably confident that whatever the reason, a desire to save on cleaning isn't it.

Not fitting any Wi-Fi apart from the one in the cabs for the drivers.

They're only going to be with c2c for a short while; why do they want to invest in equipment that will be redundant when their all new fleet arrives.

The introduction of 387s also coincided with the removal of all c2c guards on trains.

All 6(?) of them. It's been on the cards at c2c for a very, very long time. (I recall a conversation regarding full DOO on c2c with a then c2c Driver Instructor in early 2011. The date given then was "that December") The regulatory and union approval happened to come through at the same time as 387s were introduced - it's just a coincidence.

 

[spark001uk]

I saw 37800 pausing in Wembley yard on 0M57 yesterday on its way to Derby after a delivery to Reading TCD. Does anyone know the unit no(s) it delivered?

 

[chris11256]

On the wifi front both c2c 387 sets have now been fitted with onboard wifi. I was using it the other week.

 

[3973EXL]

i saw 37800 pausing in wembley yard on 0m57 yesterday on its way to derby after a delivery to reading tcd. Does anyone know the unit no(s) it delivered?

148 & 149

 

[jyte]

I asked this in the GWEP thread but it might be more relevant here.

Why do I remember reading about 387 tests or customer use on the GWML starting on the 9th May? Am I going mad?

 

[leomartin125]

I asked this in the GWEP thread but it might be more relevant here.

Why do I remember reading about 387 tests or customer use on the GWML starting on the 9th May? Am I going mad?

GWR 387's already operate on the GWML, between Hayes & Harlington and Paddington. And from 22nd May, they should start services to and from Maidenhead, however these services will start and terminate at Maidenhead, with all trains to Reading and Oxford remaining as Turbo's until much later this year.

 

[superkev]

GWR 387's already operate on the GWML, between Hayes & Harlington and Paddington. And from 22nd May, they should start services to and from Maidenhead, however these services will start and terminate at Maidenhead, with all trains to Reading and Oxford remaining as Turbo's until much later this year.

Roughly how many Turbos have or will be made spare by the 387 introduction.
Thanks
K

 

[reddragon]

Roughly how many Turbos have or will be made spare by the 387 introduction.
Thanks
K

from earlier posts

150002 came back to replace 180108 now gone off lease

4x Turbos (166) will go, 3 to Bristol + 1 for conversion mods for Bristol until 4 are done

In RAIL

Padd - Hayes / Maidenhead / training = 18 class 387 units (4 Hayes + 6 Maid + training / maint spares)

 

[leomartin125]

from earlier posts

150002 came back to replace 180108 now gone off lease

4x Turbos (166) will go, 3 to Bristol + 1 for conversion mods for Bristol until 4 are done

In RAIL

Padd - Hayes / Maidenhead / training = 18 class 387 units (4 Hayes + 6 Maid + training / maint spares)

How can a 150 make up for a 180? I thought 150002 returned as another Turbo went to SPM for driver training and crew familiarisation. The 150 however, is covering the Basingstoke line, this releases a Turbo to work on the services originally served by 180108, just not as fast.

 

[reddragon]

How can a 150 make up for a 180? I thought 150002 returned as another Turbo went to SPM for driver training and crew familiarisation. The 150 however, is covering the Basingstoke line, this releases a Turbo to work on the services originally served by 180108, just not as fast.

Apparently a class 180 did a peak Newbury local turn, that has been replaced by a 166, released by bringing 150002 back for the Basingstoke line

 

[wls1]

Apparently a class 180 did a peak Newbury local turn, that has been replaced by a 166, released by bringing 150002 back for the Basingstoke line

0609 Newbury-Paddington has changed from 5 (180) to 3 (Turbo)

Ironically as a 3 car turbo almost has the same amount of standard class seats as a 180 does.

 

[jimm]

0609 Newbury-Paddington has changed from 5 (180) to 3 (Turbo)

Ironically as a 3 car turbo almost has the same amount of standard class seats as a 180 does.

There are seats in 180s - designed for people with arms - and there are seats in Turbos - not designed for people with arms. An apples and pears comparison, frankly.