Class 387

AM9 · 26 Jan 2015

Bald Rick said:
Perhaps there were so many complaints about the seats it was decided to go back to the 319s...

With the exception of 12 cars vs 8 cars, maybe the 319s can take more passengers in crush-loading conditions than Electrostars.

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jon0844 · 26 Jan 2015

I'd have thought you'd get more people on a 387 than 319 as people take up less room when standing, and there's actually room to move down the aisles to spread out.

More likely Bombardier is worried about the 387s getting wet. Water, wind, snow, sun, people coughing or pressing buttons can all be devastating.

Class377/5 · 26 Jan 2015

Minstral25 said:
Have seen a few complaints this morning that "Old style Thameslink trains" have been turning up on the BML today where 387's had been pretty consistent. Does that mean that a lot of 387's and 377's are trapped north of the flood or just a revision in diagramming surprising people?

No choice. Most trapped north of Farringdon. Its a case of every single train in service to run and provide at least a service.

On the BML there were 5x 387 diagrams. However not enough 387s so one 8 car 319 filed in for them I believe. I ended up going home on the 8 car 387.

Minstral25 · 27 Jan 2015

Bald Rick said:
Perhaps there were so many complaints about the seats it was decided to go back to the 319s...

Personally I love the 387's and their seating and am wondering how I can start a campaign to keep them for Southern once the 700's arrive!!

The Box Photter · 27 Jan 2015

Class377/5 said:
No choice. Most trapped north of Farringdon. Its a case of every single train in service to run and provide at least a service.

On the BML there were 5x 387 diagrams. However not enough 387s so one 8 car 319 filed in for them I believe. I ended up going home on the 8 car 387.

I didn't see any 387s or 377s in service north of St Pancras yesterday.

One of the complaints I heard a number of passengers make was that the trains were only eight cars. The 0741 from Flitwick to St Pancras was formed of 2x319 yesterday, when the usual service at that time is normally 3x377/5. This meant that the same number of passengers turned up as usual and the train left Flitwick full & standing.

Mrs Box Photter was on that train and her comments regarding Thameslink's response to the Great Flood were less than complimentary. (She's also a long-suffering commuter).

Why no 12 car trains? Was it because Thameslink was only using the slow lines for all services yesterday?

westcoaster · 27 Jan 2015

Might be due to extended time to change ends and start up a 377&387, may even have ment less trains running. Also it remained in place for this morning so no faffing about to source stock.

physics34 · 27 Jan 2015

Minstral25 said:
Have seen a few complaints this morning that "Old style Thameslink trains" have been turning up on the BML today where 387's had been pretty consistent. Does that mean that a lot of 387's and 377's are trapped north of the flood or just a revision in diagramming surprising people?

Ha ha, that reminds me when i drove an 8VEP on an AM Peak East Grinstead to Victoria just before they were all withdrawn....(East Grinstead services had been fully 377 units for a couple of months by this point).. and myself and the guard had quite a few complaints when we got to Victoria!

Class377/5 · 27 Jan 2015

The Box Photter said:
I didn't see any 387s or 377s in service north of St Pancras yesterday.

One of the complaints I heard a number of passengers make was that the trains were only eight cars. The 0741 from Flitwick to St Pancras was formed of 2x319 yesterday, when the usual service at that time is normally 3x377/5. This meant that the same number of passengers turned up as usual and the train left Flitwick full & standing.

Mrs Box Photter was on that train and her comments regarding Thameslink's response to the Great Flood were less than complimentary. (She's also a long-suffering commuter).

Why no 12 car trains? Was it because Thameslink was only using the slow lines for all services yesterday?

Various reasons why. I could talk about them but seeing as your reply the other day I don't really feel like it.

Use of 319s over Electrostars is in part because of the cascade/hire of units.

XCTurbostar · 27 Jan 2015

All,

Looks like 387111 has been involved in a flooding incident in the Farringdon area.

https://twitter.com/13milepost/status/560158159680331777

Thanks,
Ross

Class377/5 · 27 Jan 2015

XCTurbostar said:
All,

Looks like 387111 has been involved in a flooding incident in the Farringdon area.

https://twitter.com/13milepost/status/560158159680331777

Thanks,
Ross

It was on Sunday.

samuelmorris · 27 Jan 2015

Is 387113 still working with 387112? Finally caught my first sighting of them today at Farringdon but while I saw 113 on the front, a 377/5 arriving in the platform hid the rear unit from view!

I could still see the top half of the unit though, so I'm counting it as a legitimate sight if I can confirm what the unit number was

Also shame on you techniquest for not getting the 'comfy chair' reference

westcoaster · 28 Jan 2015

Drove 117 today and still smelt like a new car.

user15681 · 28 Jan 2015

westcoaster said:
Drove 117 today and still smelt like a new car.

I was on 117 earlier at lunchtime, sounded a bit dodgy under the pan.

glbotu · 29 Jan 2015

Temple said:
I was on 117 earlier at lunchtime, sounded a bit dodgy under the pan.

Haven't been on a 387 yet, but I know 379s are very loud when they go under neutral sections, certainly compared to other EMUs, could be common to the Electrostar bodyshell?

physics34 · 29 Jan 2015

westcoaster said:
Drove 117 today and still smelt like a new car.

surprisingly the 377/6s still smell new in the cab.

tsr · 29 Jan 2015

physics34 said:
surprisingly the 377/6s still smell new in the cab.

Yep, quite a few do. But some others do seem pretty grubby and smell within the "normal" range too.

Class377/5 · 29 Jan 2015

387115 was in service today. 387116 should be in service tomorrow.

westcoaster · 29 Jan 2015

glbotu said:
Haven't been on a 387 yet, but I know 379s are very loud when they go under neutral sections, certainly compared to other EMUs, could be common to the Electrostar bodyshell?

Just the newer type VCB is very clunky, much worse on 350's
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Class377/5 said:
387115 was in service today. 387116 should be in service tomorrow.

At the 50% mark yet.

Class377/5 · 29 Jan 2015

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westcoaster said:
At the 50% mark yet.

387115 was the 13th of 29 so 387116 appearance tomorrow will mark pretty much half way point.

samuelmorris · 29 Jan 2015

Any update on 113/112 from Tuesday? Sorry to persist but I don't know when I'll next get the opportunity to see it again

southern442 · 29 Jan 2015

It's funny that Southern/Thameslink have nearly managed to introduce 2 new fleets in the time it has taken SWT to convert about a third of its 458's. Obviously there have been problems with corrosion etc, but it is an interesting comparison.

chickenwings12 · 30 Jan 2015

southern442 said:
It's funny that Southern/Thameslink have nearly managed to introduce 2 new fleets in the time it has taken SWT to convert about a third of its 458's. Obviously there have been problems with corrosion etc, but it is an interesting comparison.

Ooh what's the other fleet? (Genuine question) i thought it was just 387's they were bringing out

Swt are a heaven like company compared to govia though imo! The trains on thameslink and gn (i use both) have definitely got a lot dirtier and less timely since they took over, and they were bad enough with first

47802 · 30 Jan 2015

southern442 said:
It's funny that Southern/Thameslink have nearly managed to introduce 2 new fleets in the time it has taken SWT to convert about a third of its 458's. Obviously there have been problems with corrosion etc, but it is an interesting comparison.

Is it Bombardier have managed to deliver the new 377/6 and 387's reasonably on time while Wabtec/Alstom haven't, I don't see much relevance to the TOC's

Of course Bombardier are delivering a largely tried and tested design while Wabtec/Alstom are trying to *******ise 2 old trains.

Maybe the lesson is to buy new preferably a tried and tested design, rather than update and *******ise old trains.

Class377/5 · 30 Jan 2015

Don't forget the 377/7 fleet of course. And the plan is the 387/2 should be commissioned too from September.

glbotu · 30 Jan 2015

westcoaster said:
Just the newer type VCB is very clunky, much worse on 350's

What is a VCB?

Class377/5 · 30 Jan 2015

samuelmorris said:
Is 387113 still working with 387112? Finally caught my first sighting of them today at Farringdon but while I saw 113 on the front, a 377/5 arriving in the platform hid the rear unit from view! I could still see the top half of the unit though, so I'm counting it as a legitimate sight if I can confirm what the unit number was

Also shame on you techniquest for not getting the 'comfy chair' reference

samuelmorris said:
Any update on 113/112 from Tuesday? Sorry to persist but I don't know when I'll next get the opportunity to see it again

On Tuesday 387112/113 were together all day.

swt_passenger · 30 Jan 2015

glbotu said:
What is a VCB?

Vacuum Circuit Breaker - disconnects the train (electrically) from the pantograph when necessary.

Class377/5 · 30 Jan 2015

387119/120/121 transfered to Lovers Walk today.

westcoaster · 30 Jan 2015

Class377/5 said:
387119/120/121 transfered to Lovers Walk today.

These went passed me at three bridges
First sighting of 118 in service today.

Class377/5 · 30 Jan 2015

westcoaster said:
These went passed me at three bridges
First sighting of 118 in service today.

Doesn't look like tonight's move is on. Not left yet. Your first sighting of 118 then?

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