Class 387

[Class377/5]

The next two units for service should move tomorrow...

Thursday 7th
5B89 09+34 Bletchley TMD to Lovers Walk Depot. This will be 104/129.


The final two 387/1s to leave Derby are booked in for this week, 101/102 are the two units.

Thursday 7th
7X33 17+49 Derby Litchurch Lane to Bletchley TMD

Friday 8th
7X33 17+49 Derby Litchurch Lane to Bletchley TMD

 

[Techniquest]

I assume construction of the 387/2s and the 387/3s eventually will begin now?

 

[Class377/5]

I assume construction of the 387/2s and the 387/3s eventually will begin now?

387/2 build starts this month.

 

[ScotGG]

I think you answered this before but slipped my mind - when does mean the first one should be in service? Was in November you said?

 

[Class377/5]

I think you answered this before but slipped my mind - when does mean the first one should be in service? Was in November you said?

Well first two are due on test in October so I'd expect one pair to at least be in service at some point in November.

 

[ChiefPlanner]

Normal journey home last night - 1708 off BFRS - passenger leans across to me - and said "do you travel often on this line ?" - of course I said , every day.

What a wonderful new train he says - love the tables , power points and reading lights.

So there - a random passenger who likes them (as indeed I do) - I told him it was UK built , an Electrostar family set and a few other details. Ne trains can impress random passengers.

 

[physics34]

Normal journey home last night - 1708 off BFRS - passenger leans across to me - and said "do you travel often on this line ?" - of course I said , every day.

What a wonderful new train he says - love the tables , power points and reading lights.

So there - a random passenger who likes them (as indeed I do) - I told him it was UK built , an Electrostar family set and a few other details. Ne trains can impress random passengers.

hope he doesnt travel on that line from 2016.....

he'll have none of those on the class 700s!

 

[Kite159]

hope he doesnt travel on that line from 2016.....

he'll have none of those on the class 700s!

I was just about to post the same

 

[387star]

hope he doesnt travel on that line from 2016.....

he'll have none of those on the class 700s!

 

[ChiefPlanner]

I was just about to post the same

I assure you it was in my mind - he got on at BFRS and off at SPX - not looking forward to the 700's as planned and designed personally - but by then I will be an off peak passenger only ....

 

[387star]

So with all 387s now in service or there abouts for Thameslink how many 319s and what numbers are staying initially till the 700s arrive (I presume these will be replaced first) thanks

 

[47802]

So with all 387s now in service or there abouts for Thameslink how many 319s and what numbers are staying initially till the 700s arrive (I presume these will be replaced first) thanks

Well will some or all 387's go to FGW while some 319's remain on Thameslink?

 

[John1975]

Does anybody know what these 3Wxx schedules are for? Mileage accumulation?

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/sea.../0000-2359?stp=C&show=non-passenger&order=wtt

 

[Metobusfan]

387/2 build starts this month.

The 7/2s are for gatwick express isn't

 

[D365]

The 7/2s are for gatwick express isn't

Yes, 27 4-car units to replace (if not all, most of) Class 442.

This is from the option for 140 additional carriages with a further 8 units brand-new for GW to finish the order.

 

[Class377/5]

Does anybody know what these 3Wxx schedules are for? Mileage accumulation?

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/sea.../0000-2359?stp=C&show=non-passenger&order=wtt

Sssssshhhhhh. That the class 700 test paths.

 

[MCR247]

Why are they all cancelled?

 

[Yabbadabba]

Why are they all cancelled?

Lack of rolling stock or depot to house them in lol

 

[swt_passenger]

Well will some or all 387's go to FGW while some 319's remain on Thameslink?

No reason why not.

It has never actually been necessary for any of the 319, 377/2, 377/5 or 387/1 cascades away from T/L to happen in any specific order, or even one class at a time. Much depends on where and when the 319s are next needed - and we don't really know that yet.

I'm fairly sure Class377/5 has covered this before...

 

[Class377/5]

No reason why not.

It has never actually been necessary for any of the 319, 377/2, 377/5 or 387/1 cascades away from T/L to happen in any specific order, or even one class at a time. Much depends on where and when the 319s are next needed - and we don't really know that yet.

I'm fairly sure Class377/5 has covered this before...

The current plan is the 700s arrival will displace some 387s then the 319s and then the 377s I believe. But it's not quite as simple as this class goes then this class. Its far more complex than that.

The cascade plan had changed as far as I know from last year and may change again.

Why are they all cancelled?

Because you need a train to run them. They aren't planned to start until xth August but as they are long term plan they are in the system from the summer timetable change and cancelled off as they aren't required so the pathing can be used for other trains rather than block out the line needlessly.

 

[physics34]

The current plan is the 700s arrival will displace some 387s then the 319s and then the 377s I believe. But it's not quite as simple as this class goes then this class. Its far more complex than that.

The cascade plan had changed as far as I know from last year and may change again.



Because you need a train to run them. They aren't planned to start until xth August but as they are long term plan they are in the system from the summer timetable change and cancelled off as they aren't required so the pathing can be used for other trains rather than block out the line needlessly.

We still don't know where the rest of the 319s are going yet do we? Please remind me as to how many are gonna end up at northern and London Midland.
I still think the remainder could replace 455/8s and/or 313s on southern.

 

[47802]

We still don't know where the rest of the 319s are going yet do we? Please remind me as to how many are gonna end up at northern and London Midland.
I still think the remainder could replace 455/8s and/or 313s on southern.

Supposed to be 20 for Northern at the moment obviously more units will be needed when Blackpool is complete, you would think more 319's would be likely but presumably will be dependent on what the winning Northern bidder proposes.

 

[D365]

We still don't know where the rest of the 319s are going yet do we? Please remind me as to how many are gonna end up at northern and London Midland.

20 to Northern, originally 14 units specified but 6 were added to allow a Class 156 loan to TPE. More are likely to be transferred as has been said.
7 to London Midland, a like-for-like replacement for 7 Class 321s to ScotRail.

 

[physics34]

20 to Northern, originally 14 units specified but 6 were added to allow a Class 156 loan to TPE. More are likely to be transferred as has been said.
7 to London Midland, a like-for-like replacement for 7 Class 321s to ScotRail.

thanks!
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20 to Northern, originally 14 units specified but 6 were added to allow a Class 156 loan to TPE. More are likely to be transferred as has been said.
7 to London Midland, a like-for-like replacement for 7 Class 321s to ScotRail.

cheers

 

[387star]

Any new thameslink diagrams?

Can we expect the last 319 to Brighton/Three Bridges soon with 319s only being used on kent and wimbledon loop services or are there not quite enough 387s to make this happen?
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We still don't know where the rest of the 319s are going yet do we? Please remind me as to how many are gonna end up at northern and London Midland.
I still think the remainder could replace 455/8s and/or 313s on southern.

Doubt it 455s have just been refurbished

Could Great Northern take them to give an early retirement to their 313s

 

[petersi]

No on the Moorgate line the platforms are only 6 car.
Also stations on average only 2 miles apart so need good acceleration
I do not now but at slow speeds a 313 could out accelerate a 319 ?

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Supposed to be 20 for Northern at the moment obviously more units will be needed when Blackpool is complete, you would think more 319's would be likely but presumably will be dependent on what the winning Northern bidder proposes.

Would be nice for 319.001 - 013 to return to Southern for use on Coastway, sorry I know I keep saying this...OT for this thread

 

[Chris125]

Could Great Northern take them to give an early retirement to their 313s

Not with a new fleet only a few years away.

 

[JaJaWa]

Would be nice for 319.001 - 013 to return to Southern for use on Coastway, sorry I know I keep saying this...OT for this thread

Have the 313s not been refurbished to a higher standard?

 

[Bishopstone]

Have the 313s not been refurbished to a higher standard?

Compared to the 319s, they are missing a coach that is badly needed on some West Coastway trains, and also missing some toilets for the weak-bladdered pensioners of Sussex.