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look i know they have the equipment to tilt but they dont use it!!!!!
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Grow up. It definitely not "end of". You ask for proof that they tilt, but where's your proof that they don't?
voyagerdude220
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Do me a favour Super Voyager..
Go on a sodding Virgin Super Voyager, and tell me if it tilts or not..
Unless it has the tilt isolated, it will do!!
Go on a sodding Virgin Super Voyager, and tell me if it tilts or not..
Unless it has the tilt isolated, it will do!!
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look im not going to argue anymore... i know im right and your wrong so im leaving this argument
voyagerdude220
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Well said..
That's why i'm very annoyed-
Everyone makes mistakes, and i couldn't care less that SV is trying to say that VT 221's don't tilt.
It's just his incredibly immature attitude, that just because a DM has declared that VT 221's don't tilt, that is definately the case.
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Have you even been on a Virgin Super Voyager before?
SuperVoyager
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Obviously...:roll:
90019
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I'm beginning to doubt that.
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There you go, a SuperVoyager tilting in regular service.
Happy now?
Ha. OWNED!
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There you go, a SuperVoyager tilting in regular service.
Happy now?
Looks like and Xc 220 tbh
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I'm going to remove myself from this thread (from the notifications), but if anyone wants to say anything to me, feel free to PM me.
Super Voyager, i don't understand why you are being very babyish. If you want to tell me why, tell us all & also PM me.
There you go, a SuperVoyager tilting in regular service.
Happy now?
YES!! Thanks 90019!
Virgins 221s tilt. End of. Confirmed by many, and to finalise the point, if they didn't tilt, they wouldn't be allowed to run in VHF as a regular service, due to all 100/110mph paths in use, and only 125mph paths left. In addition to prove this, only 125EPS traffic is sent via Weedon in the TT, and the SuperVoyagers run via Weedon, leading us to the conclusion that they are capable to run at EPS speeds, hence they can tilt.
220s don't tilt.
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Exactly
90019
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It's a Virgin 221, you can see it's in Virgin livery and is one of the four 4 car SuperVoyagers.
Good job Virgin don't run any 220s
To finalise this: 220s don't tilt, CrossCountrys 221s don't tilt, Virgins 221s do tilt.
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Looks like a XC that hasnt been painted... no badge
221 do tilt. That pictured is a tilting 221.
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Quoted from Virgin Trains' website.
http://www.virgintrainsmediaroom.com/index.cfm?articleid=191
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Christ i think this has been said 1000 times...
221'S CAN TILT!!!!!! BUT THEY DONT USE IT!!!!:roll:
It's a Virgin 221 - 4 cars though. The route pictured is the WCML through the Lake District. XC don't run that part of the WCML, so it must be a Virgin tilting 221. End of argument!
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they do! See my above post about weedon!
I'm sure they do with Virgin, but not with CrossCountry.
Looking at journey times down the WCML Glasgow-Carlisle, Pendolinos and Voyagers are timetabled to complete the journey in about the same length of time, give or take. Whereas TPE trains (which definitely do not tilt) take about 5-10 minutes longer. On this stretch of the WCML, a non-tilting train cannot keep to Pendolino timings; EPS speeds are everywhere!
Wikipedia is also under the impression that the trains can tilt, for what it's worth. And several other sites mention it as well.
EDIT: Whilst I was researching this, everyone else has answered the same!
Looking at journey times down the WCML Glasgow-Carlisle, Pendolinos and Voyagers are timetabled to complete the journey in about the same length of time, give or take. Whereas TPE trains (which definitely do not tilt) take about 5-10 minutes longer. On this stretch of the WCML, a non-tilting train cannot keep to Pendolino timings; EPS speeds are everywhere!
Wikipedia is also under the impression that the trains can tilt, for what it's worth. And several other sites mention it as well.
EDIT: Whilst I was researching this, everyone else has answered the same!
90019
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In that case it's 221141, and some of the Voyagers had the badges removed before they went to XC.
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Right far enough.
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