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refurb was announced back then but 395012 only went in about 2 months ago.
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MCR247
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Generally yes but you’d expect that for more extensive refurbs rather than this really.
Great, thanks.
paulprentice
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The first unit (395012) went in on June 12th and was back in traffic on Monday. The next in line for refurb is 395015 and it should take around three weeks, with the remainder taking around two weeks.
TT-ONR-NRN
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As if these needed doing before the Networkers though!
BluePenguin
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You are not wrong, although the Networkers are supposed to be ever imminently binned so nobody wants to spend the money. Meanwhile the Javelins will continue to be used for many more years
The Networkers are going to be replaced entirely within the next few years, and had a minor refresh a few years ago. The 375s also had a refresh after around ten years in service which laid the groundwork for their mid-life refurbishment, so the Javelin refurbishment now is not surprising.
Trainguy34
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Can confirm that 395 015 has been refurbed, on it now. Can't see much of a difference in the coach I'm in (5th) however most differences are in the accessible coach (1st I believe)
Differences to 012 or the original interior?
Trainguy34
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The original.
I assume the interior of 015 is the same as 012?
Trainguy34
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Probably, haven't experienced 012. Shocked at the fact that there are only 2 loos. Was in the same coach going back and the loo in coach F had a queue, meaning I had to walk 120 metres to the rear of the train. Quite good otherwise apart from the shout screamy child behind me, but that isn't Southeastern's fault.
They've always had two toilets. Granted their placement isn't very good (coaches 2 and 5 would have made more sense) but it's more than quite a lot of trains which may only have one. I find the new interior to be quite different, when it comes to the colours it feels quite different. I'm not sure if the layout changes which were announced were done or not though.
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I'm sure I saw a SE publicity video suggesting they'd have upgraded CIS, with flat screens and realtime departure info for stations, etc. Then I saw a walkthrough of a completed unit on YT which showed no changes whatsoever to the original set up.
Did I imagine it?
DP
Did I imagine it?
DP
Perhaps you're thinking of the Southern Class 377 refurbishment which is adding them? I don't remember them being promised for 395s.
Let's hope those screens don't end up like the orange handrails on SWR!
thomson787
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new PIS and screens will happen next year
Found myself on one the refurbs this afternoon. The seats and tables tops look nice but the carpet, oh dear. Never seen a flooring on a train that shows every crumb, dirt and general mess. Does Southeastern have vacuum cleaners? 
Blindtraveler
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Still haven't tried one yet but don't actually use them all that much and have been off the rails for about six weeks due to injury
Found myself on one the refurbs this afternoon. The seats and tables tops look nice but the carpet, oh dear. Never seen a flooring on a train that shows every crumb, dirt and general mess. Does Southeastern have vacuum cleaners?
Now is a bad time to look at floors as most trains will be fill of Killfrost from platform edges that people bring onboard.
I've found the seats have got slightly better somewhat since the refurbishment - possibly new bases or thicker moquette?I have been on a few of them before Christmas, and apart from the carpet they have done a good job on the refresh.
The seats are still comfortable too which is a relief.
Dumpton Park
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395s I was on in December looked remarkably well looked after for 10+ years service, but I really don't understand the UK rail obsession with carpets. They just seem to be asking for trouble and mess - and cause it!
I travel on Iryo in Spain quite a lot. High class, brand new frecciarossa trains. With robust non-stick floors throughout, first class included.
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I travel on Iryo in Spain quite a lot. High class, brand new frecciarossa trains. With robust non-stick floors throughout, first class included.
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TT-ONR-NRN
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I personally think the lino floor is the only thing that really cheapens the Frecciarossa.
CarrotPie
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Moquette that's simply new and not worn after many years of service, perhaps?
Possibly, although I remember the original interior even a number of years ago having somewhat thin moquette. Then again, that could just be confirmation bias.
urpert
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Same with ÖBB’s Railjets (in all other respects one of the most comfortable and well appointed of any European train).
reecestrains
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The refurbishment on these looks pretty decent I must say.
Can I ask at this point which units have been refurbished?
Can I ask at this point which units have been refurbished?
I was going to ask the same thing, I was keeping an eye on which units had been done but I've lost count now.