Class 442s - Now at the end of the road and to be withdrawn permanently

[_toommm_]

I'm not very au fait with the older EMUs, but do the refurb 442 retain the 4 step power control (Shunt, Series, Parallel and Weak Field), and the two different types of braking sysyem?

 

[Helvellyn]

So from the looks of the photos more a heavy refresh than a refurb. Seat backs and ceiling panels appear not to have resprayed.

 

[theironroad]

I'm not very au fait with the older EMUs, but do the refurb 442 retain the 4 step power control (Shunt, Series, Parallel and Weak Field), and the two different types of braking sysyem?

In their current guise, yes they do. However the plan was/is to retraction and then they'll be gone. The retraction was due to be done after all 18x5 units had been introduced in their current refreshed form then withdrawn one by one for the extra work. As the whole programme is massively behind schedisc and over budget, who knows the future plan.

 

[theironroad]

With about 3 weeks to go until the new timetable, does any have confirmed diagrams for 442 workings? I know that RF user Hamworthy goods provided a good list a few months back, just wanted to see what was going to happen on 19/5? Thanks.

 

[pompeyfan]

The 2105 Waterloo - Poole will 100% be a 442, the rest I’m not sure on yet.

 

[Bigfoot]

With about 3 weeks to go until the new timetable, does any have confirmed diagrams for 442 workings? I know that RF user Hamworthy goods provided a good list a few months back, just wanted to see what was going to happen on 19/5? Thanks.

As there are no available sets there will be no long term diagrams in May. Aslef have refused to accept any long term diagrams with 442 work. They will instead, when eventually in service be short term plan diagrams until December.

 

[cactustwirly]

As there are no available sets there will be no long term diagrams in May. Aslef have refused to accept any long term diagrams with 442 work. They will instead, when eventually in service be short term plan diagrams until December.

Any particular reason why ASLEF have refused LTP diagrams?

 

[cjmillsnun]

The 2105 Waterloo - Poole will 100% be a 442, the rest I’m not sure on yet.

I thought they were only carrying pax on the direct?

 

[HamworthyGoods]

I thought they were only carrying pax on the direct?

They have workings on the mainline to get them to/from Bournemouth depot for maintenance.

 

[hexagon789]

I'm not very au fait with the older EMUs, but do the refurb 442 retain the 4 step power control (Shunt, Series, Parallel and Weak Field), and the two different types of braking sysyem?

Yes and yes - the latter being three-position with a changeover switch between auto-air and EP.

 

[TEW]

Any particular reason why ASLEF have refused LTP diagrams?

Because this is now the third set of LTP diagrams with 442s in, without one ever being in service. Putting 442 work in diagrams has led to quite a few changes to diagrams because of the limited number of crews signing them.

 

[cjmillsnun]

They have workings on the mainline to get them to/from Bournemouth depot for maintenance.

Which were originally going to be ECS

 

[Train Boy]

I thought they were only carrying pax on the direct?

On the SWML, the following will end up as 442s:

0545 Poole - Waterloo
0651 Soton Airport - Waterloo

1848 Waterloo - Poole
2105 Waterloo - Poole

 

[Train Boy]

The initial diagrams were said to be: (I assume these will come in first, based on unit availability)

DIAGRAM 1 - 10 442
5B89 0521 Bournemouth TRSMD to Poole
1B90 0545 Poole to London Waterloo
1P17 0800 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour
1P32 1015 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo
1P35 1230 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour
1P50 1445 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo
1P53 1700 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour
1P68 1915 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo
1B69 2105 London Waterloo to Poole
5B70 2339 Poole to Bournemouth TRSMD

DIAGRAM 2 - 10 442
5P20 0647 Fratton CSD to Portsmouth Harbour
1P20 0714 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo
1P23 0930 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour
1P38 1145 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo
1P41 1400 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour
1P56 1615 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo
1G57 1815 London Waterloo to Portsmouth & Southsea
5G57 2012 Portsmouth & Southsea to Fratton CSD

DIAGRAM 3 - 10 442
5G22 0715 Fratton CSD to Portsmouth Harbour
1G22 0745 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo
1P25 1000 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour
1P40 1215 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo
1P43 1430 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour
1G60 1715 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo
1P63 1930 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour
5B61 2133 Portsmouth Harbour to Bournemouth TRSMD

 

[HamworthyGoods]

Which were originally going to be ECS

This was never really to be the case, the current ECS moves between Portsmouth and Bournemouth is to do with the new Fratton sidings not being ready.

 

[theironroad]

The initial diagrams were said to be: (I assume these will come in first, based on unit availability)

DIAGRAM 1 - 10 442
5B89 0521 Bournemouth TRSMD to Poole
1B90 0545 Poole to London Waterloo
1P17 0800 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour
1P32 1015 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo
1P35 1230 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour
1P50 1445 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo
1P53 1700 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour
1P68 1915 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo
1B69 2105 London Waterloo to Poole
5B70 2339 Poole to Bournemouth TRSMD

DIAGRAM 2 - 10 442
5P20 0647 Fratton CSD to Portsmouth Harbour
1P20 0714 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo
1P23 0930 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour
1P38 1145 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo
1P41 1400 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour
1P56 1615 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo
1G57 1815 London Waterloo to Portsmouth & Southsea
5G57 2012 Portsmouth & Southsea to Fratton CSD

DIAGRAM 3 - 10 442
5G22 0715 Fratton CSD to Portsmouth Harbour
1G22 0745 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo
1P25 1000 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour
1P40 1215 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo
1P43 1430 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour
1G60 1715 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo
1P63 1930 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour
5B61 2133 Portsmouth Harbour to Bournemouth TRSMD

Many thanks to everyone. As I've been hearing that 3 or 4 10 car formations could be ready for 19/5, then this would make sense.

 

[Bigfoot]

Many thanks to everyone. As I've been hearing that 3 or 4 10 car formations could be ready for 19/5, then this would make sense.

I'll believe this when I see it.

 

[theironroad]

I'll believe this when I see it.

I'm inclined to agree to an extent, but there does seem to be a internal push to get at least some piggys running from 19/5.

 

[moley]

I was expecting 5P20 to be the 04:50 Bournemouth depot - Portsmouth Harbour to balance the diagrams.

Was told yesterday there should be 3 pairs in service from 19/5 mon - fri. Apparently need 4 pairs for new timetable so 2 less Desiro units to be under refurbishment at any time to provide capacity after 19/5. I think they are currently running with 3x444s and 4x450s in for refurb at present.

 

[Dren Ahmeti]

The initial diagrams were said to be: (I assume these will come in first, based on unit availability)
DIAGRAM 1 - 10 442
5B89 0521 Bournemouth TRSMD to Poole

DIAGRAM 2 - 10 442
5P20 0647 Fratton CSD to Portsmouth Harbour

DIAGRAM 3 - 10 442
5G22 0715 Fratton CSD to Portsmouth Harbour

Some slight alterations/updates for you:
All alterations are part of the "6 short 442 scheme" currently in use by STP, which uses some "maintenance spares" and sometimes de-strengthens (short-forms) other services.

DIAGRAM 1 - 10 442 (currently substituted by a 10 car 444)
DIAGRAM 2 - 10 442 (currently substituted by a 12 car 450)
5P20 now does a "tour de loops" and departs Bournemouth CSD at 0451 and routes via Havant.
1P20 now departs 2 minutes earlier at 0712.
DIAGRAM 3 - 10 442 (currently substituted by a 12 car 450)

 

[pompeyfan]

Is the tour via Havant to keep the (un)comfy seats at the London end?

Also, does 1G22 and 1G57 have an amended calling pattern come the May timetable change?

 

[Parallel]

I saw a pair of 442s at Southampton recently. They were a work in progress and had seat backs but most didn’t have cushions. They do look smart in the SWR livery.

 

[cactustwirly]

Does anyone know if/when these will have any weekend diagrams?

 

[GW43125]

It's been seen for a while there's a path in for an 18:18 Poole-Waterloo on Sundays, calling Poole-Bournemouth-Soton Ctl-Waterloo, presumably as a glorified Bomo-Fratton move. Any word on whether this will actually drop a 442?
Similarly, any idea whether the new Sunday evening 1G9x will drop 442s?

 

[Monty]

Is the tour via Havant to keep the (un)comfy seats at the London end?

Also, does 1G22 and 1G57 have an amended calling pattern come the May timetable change?

To my knowledge the stopping patterns will remain the same so, lots of practice with SDO!

 

[Nammer]

1G22 is Ports & S’sea, Fratton, Havant, Petersfield, Haslemere, Godalming, Guildford then Waterloo.
1G57 is Guildford, Godalming, Haslemere then ALL stations to Ports & S’sea from 20 May.

 

[pompeyfan]

1G22 is Ports & S’sea, Fratton, Havant, Petersfield, Haslemere, Godalming, Guildford then Waterloo.
1G57 is Guildford, Godalming, Haslemere then ALL stations to Ports & S’sea from 20 May.

I thought 1G22 had Liss and Liphook in it? Or am I thinking of the 0642?

57 will be fun, but at least it’s not Farncombe, Milford and Witley.

Bournemouth don’t get away with it either, 2105 is all station from Totton onwards.

 

[Nammer]

Yes that must be 1G18 the 0642 that you’re thinking of, with the Liss and Liphook calls

 

[pompeyfan]

Paul Clifton will be doing another piece on 442s on BBC South Today at 1830 apparently.

 

[winks]

The interior looked great on South Today.

Anyone know if I can catch a service Waterloo to BSK on its first day whenever that may be !?