Class 442s - Now at the end of the road and to be withdrawn permanently

[TEW]

These are the long term plan 442 diagrams from May to December 2019, obviously please note that not all of these diagrams will be operating as of the 19th May. It is merely intended to give people an idea of where the 442s will be running in the long term. All diagrams run as pairs.

Monday to Friday
5B92 0511 Bournemouth Depot to Southampton Airport Parkway 0648
1B92 0651 Southampton Airport Parkway to London Waterloo 0801
1P19 0830 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1008
1P34 1045 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1223
1P37 1300 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1435
1P52 1515 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1653
1P55 1730 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1909
5P05 1929 Portsmouth Harbour to Fratton Depot 1939

5B89 0521 Bournemouth Depot to Poole 0530
1B90 0545 Poole to London Waterloo 0746
1P17 0800 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 0936
1P32 1015 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1151
1P35 1230 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1408
1P50 1445 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1624
1P53 1700 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1836
1P68 1915 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 2051
1B69 2105 London Waterloo to Poole 2329
5B70 2340 Poole to Bournemouth Depot 2349

5P16 0538 Fratton Depot to Portsmouth Harbour 0553
1P16 0615 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 0754
5Y03 0803 London Waterloo to Clapham Yard 0831
5B85 1810 Clapham Yard to London Waterloo 1829
1B95 1848 London Waterloo to Poole 2108
5B96 2117 Poole to Bournemouth Depot 2126

5P20 0647 Fratton Depot to Portsmouth Harbour 0701
1P20 0714 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 0852
1P23 0930 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1108
1P38 1145 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1323
1P41 1400 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1534
1P56 1615 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1754
1P59 1830 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 2009
1P74 2045 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 2227
1P77 2300 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 0035

5G22 0715 Fratton Depot to Portsmouth Harbour 0729
1G22 0745 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 0928
1P25 1000 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1134
1P40 1215 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1352
1P43 1430 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1608
1G60 1715 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1859
1P63 1930 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 2108
5P64 2133 Portsmouth Harbour to Fratton Depot 2147

1P12 0512 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 0651
1P13 0700 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 0836
1P28 0915 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1054
1P31 1130 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1308
1P46 1345 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1523
1P49 1600 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1734
1P62 1745 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1929
1P65 2000 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 2136
5P65 2146 Portsmouth Harbour to Fratton Depot 2157

Saturday
5P20 0645 Fratton Depot to Portsmouth Harbour 0658
1P20 0715 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 0851
1P23 0930 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1108
1P38 1145 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1327
1P41 1400 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1534
1P56 1615 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1751
1P59 1830 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 2008
1P74 2045 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 2227
2P77 2315 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 0054

5P24 0745 Fratton Depot to Portsmouth Harbour 0758
1P24 0815 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 0951
1P27 1030 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1208
1P42 1245 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1427
1P45 1500 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1634
1P60 1715 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1851
1P63 1930 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 2108
5P68 2126 Portsmouth Harbour to Fratton Depot 2137

5P26 0817 Fratton Depot to Portsmouth Harbour 0832
1P26 0845 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1023
1P29 1100 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1234
1P44 1345 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1457
1P47 1530 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1708
1P62 1745 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1923
1P65 2000 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 2134
5P65 2145 Portsmouth Harbour to Fratton Depot 2155

1P18 0645 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 0823
1P21 0900 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1034
1P36 1115 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1257
1P39 1330 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1508
1P54 1545 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1723
1P57 1800 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1934
1P72 2015 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 2151
1P75 2230 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 0007
5P75 0014 Portsmouth Harbour to Fratton Depot 0024

Sunday
5B93 1750 Bournemouth Depot to Poole 1800
1B94 1818 Poole to London Waterloo 2011
1G97 2055 London Waterloo to Portsmouth & Southsea 2222
5G97 2239 Portsmouth & Southsea to Fratton Depot 2246

5P30 0909 Fratton Depot to Portsmouth Harbour 0923
1P30 0932 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1114
1P31 1130 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1311
1P46 1332 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1514
1P47 1530 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1711
1P62 1732 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1914
1P63 1930 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 2113
1P78 2132 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 2314
1P79 2330 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 0109
5P79 0118 Portsmouth Harbour to Fratton Depot 0131

5G94 1655 Fratton Depot to Portsmouth & Southsea 1700
1G94 1726 Portsmouth & Southsea to London Waterloo 1856
1G95 1955 London Waterloo to Portsmouth & Southsea 2122
5G95 2139 Portsmouth & Southsea to Fratton Depot 2146
5P12 0003 Fratton Depot to Portsmouth Harbour 0019

5G96 1755 Fratton Depot to Portsmouth & Southsea 1800
1G96 1826 Portsmouth & Southsea to London Waterloo 1956
1B67 2105 London Waterloo to Poole 2333
5B67 2336 Poole to Poole Sidings 2338
5B84 2355 Poole Sidings to Bournemouth Depot 0006

1P22 0732 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 0916
1P23 0930 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1113
1P38 1132 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1313
1P39 1330 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1511
1P54 1532 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1714
1P55 1730 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1911
1P70 1932 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 2114
1P71 2130 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 2311
5P71 2323 Portsmouth Harbour to Fratton Depot 2335

 

[LOL The Irony]

Today i noticed that 2405 had been moved in Eastleigh depot and 2424 was moved to Arlingtons at Eastleigh and has had its shoegear removed again, so is this heading back to Ely papworth

That is looking in a very sorry state.

 

[mchd2000]

Does anyone know how many standard class seats there will be on a refurbished 5-car Class 442. Will this be more/less than the number of standard seats on a refurbished 5-car Class 444.

 

[pompeyfan]

Does anyone know how many standard class seats there will be on a refurbished 5-car Class 442. Will this be more/less than the number of standard seats on a refurbished 5-car Class 444.

I would imagine there will be less as the brake van itself would take up a significant number of seats.

 

[swt_passenger]

Does anyone know how many standard class seats there will be on a refurbished 5-car Class 442. Will this be more/less than the number of standard seats on a refurbished 5-car Class 444.

It’s very similar. The figures are in the DfT/SWR franchise agreement:
The 442 is 336 std 32 first.
The 444 is 333 std 32 first.

 

[Train Boy]

The 444 is 333 std 32 first.

Actually has ended up as 329 standard. One of the two bicycle spaces was going to be converted to 4 seats, but was abandoned thankfully!

+8 seats gained from the guard's office
+6 seats gained from the buffet area
+16 seats gained from First Class

 

[swt_passenger]

Actually has ended up as 329 standard. One of the two bicycle spaces was going to be converted to 4 seats, but was abandoned thankfully!

+8 seats gained from the guard's office
+6 seats gained from the buffet area
+16 seats gained from First Class

Yes, and in fact we’ve covered all that before in the other main SWR refurb thread. I just forgot about the cancellation of the bike space conversion, I think we all thought it was a bit stupid...

 

[mchd2000]

These are the long term plan 442 diagrams from May to December 2019, obviously please note that not all of these diagrams will be operating as of the 19th May. It is merely intended to give people an idea of where the 442s will be running in the long term. All diagrams run as pairs.

Monday to Friday
5B92 0511 Bournemouth Depot to Southampton Airport Parkway 0648
1B92 0651 Southampton Airport Parkway to London Waterloo 0801
1P19 0830 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1008
1P34 1045 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1223
1P37 1300 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1435
1P52 1515 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1653
1P55 1730 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1909
5P05 1929 Portsmouth Harbour to Fratton Depot 1939

5B89 0521 Bournemouth Depot to Poole 0530
1B90 0545 Poole to London Waterloo 0746
1P17 0800 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 0936
1P32 1015 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1151
1P35 1230 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1408
1P50 1445 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1624
1P53 1700 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1836
1P68 1915 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 2051
1B69 2105 London Waterloo to Poole 2329
5B70 2340 Poole to Bournemouth Depot 2349

5P16 0538 Fratton Depot to Portsmouth Harbour 0553
1P16 0615 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 0754
5Y03 0803 London Waterloo to Clapham Yard 0831
5B85 1810 Clapham Yard to London Waterloo 1829
1B95 1848 London Waterloo to Poole 2108
5B96 2117 Poole to Bournemouth Depot 2126

5P20 0647 Fratton Depot to Portsmouth Harbour 0701
1P20 0714 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 0852
1P23 0930 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1108
1P38 1145 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1323
1P41 1400 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1534
1P56 1615 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1754
1P59 1830 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 2009
1P74 2045 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 2227
1P77 2300 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 0035

5G22 0715 Fratton Depot to Portsmouth Harbour 0729
1G22 0745 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 0928
1P25 1000 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1134
1P40 1215 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1352
1P43 1430 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1608
1G60 1715 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1859
1P63 1930 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 2108
5P64 2133 Portsmouth Harbour to Fratton Depot 2147

1P12 0512 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 0651
1P13 0700 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 0836
1P28 0915 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1054
1P31 1130 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1308
1P46 1345 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1523
1P49 1600 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1734
1P62 1745 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1929
1P65 2000 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 2136
5P65 2146 Portsmouth Harbour to Fratton Depot 2157

Saturday
5P20 0645 Fratton Depot to Portsmouth Harbour 0658
1P20 0715 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 0851
1P23 0930 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1108
1P38 1145 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1327
1P41 1400 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1534
1P56 1615 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1751
1P59 1830 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 2008
1P74 2045 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 2227
2P77 2315 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 0054

5P24 0745 Fratton Depot to Portsmouth Harbour 0758
1P24 0815 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 0951
1P27 1030 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1208
1P42 1245 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1427
1P45 1500 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1634
1P60 1715 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1851
1P63 1930 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 2108
5P68 2126 Portsmouth Harbour to Fratton Depot 2137

5P26 0817 Fratton Depot to Portsmouth Harbour 0832
1P26 0845 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1023
1P29 1100 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1234
1P44 1345 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1457
1P47 1530 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1708
1P62 1745 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1923
1P65 2000 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 2134
5P65 2145 Portsmouth Harbour to Fratton Depot 2155

1P18 0645 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 0823
1P21 0900 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1034
1P36 1115 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1257
1P39 1330 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1508
1P54 1545 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1723
1P57 1800 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1934
1P72 2015 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 2151
1P75 2230 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 0007
5P75 0014 Portsmouth Harbour to Fratton Depot 0024

Sunday
5B93 1750 Bournemouth Depot to Poole 1800
1B94 1818 Poole to London Waterloo 2011
1G97 2055 London Waterloo to Portsmouth & Southsea 2222
5G97 2239 Portsmouth & Southsea to Fratton Depot 2246

5P30 0909 Fratton Depot to Portsmouth Harbour 0923
1P30 0932 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1114
1P31 1130 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1311
1P46 1332 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1514
1P47 1530 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1711
1P62 1732 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1914
1P63 1930 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 2113
1P78 2132 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 2314
1P79 2330 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 0109
5P79 0118 Portsmouth Harbour to Fratton Depot 0131

5G94 1655 Fratton Depot to Portsmouth & Southsea 1700
1G94 1726 Portsmouth & Southsea to London Waterloo 1856
1G95 1955 London Waterloo to Portsmouth & Southsea 2122
5G95 2139 Portsmouth & Southsea to Fratton Depot 2146
5P12 0003 Fratton Depot to Portsmouth Harbour 0019

5G96 1755 Fratton Depot to Portsmouth & Southsea 1800
1G96 1826 Portsmouth & Southsea to London Waterloo 1956
1B67 2105 London Waterloo to Poole 2333
5B67 2336 Poole to Poole Sidings 2338
5B84 2355 Poole Sidings to Bournemouth Depot 0006

1P22 0732 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 0916
1P23 0930 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1113
1P38 1132 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1313
1P39 1330 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1511
1P54 1532 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1714
1P55 1730 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1911
1P70 1932 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 2114
1P71 2130 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 2311
5P71 2323 Portsmouth Harbour to Fratton Depot 2335

Looks good. Do you know, by any chance, which peak time services on the Portsmouth Direct are due to be operated by 444s following the May timetable change? Thanks.

 

[theironroad]

These are the long term plan 442 diagrams from May to December 2019, obviously please note that not all of these diagrams will be operating as of the 19th May. It is merely intended to give people an idea of where the 442s will be running in the long term. All diagrams run as pairs.

Monday to Friday
5B92 0511 Bournemouth Depot to Southampton Airport Parkway 0648
1B92 0651 Southampton Airport Parkway to London Waterloo 0801
1P19 0830 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1008
1P34 1045 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1223
1P37 1300 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1435
1P52 1515 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1653
1P55 1730 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1909
5P05 1929 Portsmouth Harbour to Fratton Depot 1939

5B89 0521 Bournemouth Depot to Poole 0530
1B90 0545 Poole to London Waterloo 0746
1P17 0800 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 0936
1P32 1015 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1151
1P35 1230 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1408
1P50 1445 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1624
1P53 1700 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1836
1P68 1915 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 2051
1B69 2105 London Waterloo to Poole 2329
5B70 2340 Poole to Bournemouth Depot 2349

5P16 0538 Fratton Depot to Portsmouth Harbour 0553
1P16 0615 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 0754
5Y03 0803 London Waterloo to Clapham Yard 0831
5B85 1810 Clapham Yard to London Waterloo 1829
1B95 1848 London Waterloo to Poole 2108
5B96 2117 Poole to Bournemouth Depot 2126

5P20 0647 Fratton Depot to Portsmouth Harbour 0701
1P20 0714 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 0852
1P23 0930 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1108
1P38 1145 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1323
1P41 1400 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1534
1P56 1615 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1754
1P59 1830 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 2009
1P74 2045 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 2227
1P77 2300 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 0035

5G22 0715 Fratton Depot to Portsmouth Harbour 0729
1G22 0745 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 0928
1P25 1000 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1134
1P40 1215 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1352
1P43 1430 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1608
1G60 1715 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1859
1P63 1930 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 2108
5P64 2133 Portsmouth Harbour to Fratton Depot 2147

1P12 0512 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 0651
1P13 0700 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 0836
1P28 0915 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1054
1P31 1130 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1308
1P46 1345 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1523
1P49 1600 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1734
1P62 1745 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1929
1P65 2000 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 2136
5P65 2146 Portsmouth Harbour to Fratton Depot 2157

Saturday
5P20 0645 Fratton Depot to Portsmouth Harbour 0658
1P20 0715 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 0851
1P23 0930 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1108
1P38 1145 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1327
1P41 1400 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1534
1P56 1615 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1751
1P59 1830 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 2008
1P74 2045 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 2227
2P77 2315 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 0054

5P24 0745 Fratton Depot to Portsmouth Harbour 0758
1P24 0815 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 0951
1P27 1030 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1208
1P42 1245 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1427
1P45 1500 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1634
1P60 1715 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1851
1P63 1930 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 2108
5P68 2126 Portsmouth Harbour to Fratton Depot 2137

5P26 0817 Fratton Depot to Portsmouth Harbour 0832
1P26 0845 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1023
1P29 1100 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1234
1P44 1345 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1457
1P47 1530 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1708
1P62 1745 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1923
1P65 2000 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 2134
5P65 2145 Portsmouth Harbour to Fratton Depot 2155

1P18 0645 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 0823
1P21 0900 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1034
1P36 1115 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1257
1P39 1330 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1508
1P54 1545 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1723
1P57 1800 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1934
1P72 2015 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 2151
1P75 2230 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 0007
5P75 0014 Portsmouth Harbour to Fratton Depot 0024

Sunday
5B93 1750 Bournemouth Depot to Poole 1800
1B94 1818 Poole to London Waterloo 2011
1G97 2055 London Waterloo to Portsmouth & Southsea 2222
5G97 2239 Portsmouth & Southsea to Fratton Depot 2246

5P30 0909 Fratton Depot to Portsmouth Harbour 0923
1P30 0932 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1114
1P31 1130 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1311
1P46 1332 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1514
1P47 1530 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1711
1P62 1732 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1914
1P63 1930 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 2113
1P78 2132 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 2314
1P79 2330 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 0109
5P79 0118 Portsmouth Harbour to Fratton Depot 0131

5G94 1655 Fratton Depot to Portsmouth & Southsea 1700
1G94 1726 Portsmouth & Southsea to London Waterloo 1856
1G95 1955 London Waterloo to Portsmouth & Southsea 2122
5G95 2139 Portsmouth & Southsea to Fratton Depot 2146
5P12 0003 Fratton Depot to Portsmouth Harbour 0019

5G96 1755 Fratton Depot to Portsmouth & Southsea 1800
1G96 1826 Portsmouth & Southsea to London Waterloo 1956
1B67 2105 London Waterloo to Poole 2333
5B67 2336 Poole to Poole Sidings 2338
5B84 2355 Poole Sidings to Bournemouth Depot 0006

1P22 0732 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 0916
1P23 0930 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1113
1P38 1132 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1313
1P39 1330 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1511
1P54 1532 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 1714
1P55 1730 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 1911
1P70 1932 Portsmouth Harbour to London Waterloo 2114
1P71 2130 London Waterloo to Portsmouth Harbour 2311
5P71 2323 Portsmouth Harbour to Fratton Depot 2335

Cheers for listing these.

Just have to wait and see what is ready for 19/5 or 20/5 I guess....

 

[moley]

Looks good. Do you know, by any chance, which peak time services on the Portsmouth Direct are due to be operated by 444s following the May timetable change? Thanks.

Well, if 1600, 1700, 1730, 1830, 1930 and 2000 are 442s then I’d expect 1630, 1800 and 1900 to be 444s per franchise commitment.

 

[mchd2000]

Well, if 1600, 1700, 1730, 1830, 1930 and 2000 are 442s then I’d expect 1630, 1800 and 1900 to be 444s per franchise commitment.

I agree. And I would also assume that per their franchise agreement, the 0550 and 0643 from PMH would be 444 as well?

 

[swt_passenger]

The 1800 off Waterloo is shown as a 12.450 in the May working notices.
The 0550 and 0643 from the harbour are both shown as 10.444.

 

[TEW]

Looks good. Do you know, by any chance, which peak time services on the Portsmouth Direct are due to be operated by 444s following the May timetable change? Thanks.

Again, these are long term plan so may not be the reality from May 19th due to lack of available 442s.

Monday-Friday
From Portsmouth Harbour
0425 8-450
0512 10-442
0550 10-444
0615 10-442
0643 10-444
0714 10-442
0730 10-444
0745 10-442
0815 10-444
0819 8-450
0845 5-444
0915 10-442
0919 5-444
0945 10-444
1015 10-442
1045 10-442
1115 8-450
1145 10-442
1215 10-442
1245 5-444
1315 5-444
1345 10-442
1415 5-444
1445 10-442
1515 10-442
1545 12-450
1615 10-442
1645 10-444
1715 10-442
1719 10-444
1745 10-442
1815 5-444
1819 10-444
1845 10-444
1915 10-442
1919 12-450
1945 10-444
2015 10-444
2045 10-442
2115 10-444
2219 10-444

From Portsmouth & Southsea
0658 12-450
1024 12-450
1124 8-450
1224 5-444
1324 5-444
1424 12-450
1524 12-450
1624 12-450
2024 10-444
2124 12-450

From Fareham
1644 12-450

From Hilsea
0640 12-450

From Havant
0640 12-450
0710 12-450
1552 12-450

From Petersfield
0611 12-450

From Haslemere
0602 8-450
0712 12-450
0940 12-450
1040 12-450
1140 5-444
1240 4-450
1340 12-450
1440 5-444
1537 12-450
1838 12-450
1940 12-450
2040 4-450

From Waterloo
0500 5-444
0520 12-450
0545 10-444
0615 5-444
0645 8-450
0700 10-442
0715 8-450
0730 10-444
0745 12-450
0800 10-442
0815 12-450
0830 10-442
0845 12-450
0900 12-450
0916 12-450
0930 10-442
0945 5-444
1000 10-442
1015 5-444
1030 5-444
1045 5-444
1100 5-444
1115 4-450
1130 10-442
1145 8-450
1200 5-444
1215 12-450
1230 10-442
1245 8-450
1300 10-442
1315 5-444
1330 8-450
1345 8-450
1400 10-442
1415 12-450
1430 10-442
1445 4-450
1500 10-444
1515 4-450
1530 10-444
1545 5-444
1600 10-442
1615 5-444
1630 10-444
1645 12-450
1700 10-442
1715 12-450
1718 12-450
1730 10-442
1745 12-450
1800 12-450
1815 10-444
1817 12-450
1830 10-442
1846 12-450
1900 10-444
1915 8-450
1930 10-442
1945 8-450
2000 10-442
2015 12-450
2030 10-444
2045 5-444
2100 12-450
2130 10-444
2145 8-450
2200 8-450
2230 10-444
2245 5-444
2300 10-442
2315 5-444
2330 5-444
2345 10-444

 

[moley]

Pompey line commuters cannot complain about seating arrangements once this becomes reality.

The 1800 is probably a fair sacrifice given the 1815 is 10-444.

 

[swt_passenger]

Pompey line commuters cannot complain about seating arrangements once this becomes reality.

The 1800 is probably a fair sacrifice given the 1815 is 10-444.

...and there’ll probably be a couple more 10.442 diagrams eventually so that may well change.

 

[moley]

Be interesting to see if they want to free up 450s or 444s for the Pompey - Bournemouth service which presumably is on the cards for December?

From what I can see we are now only missing two pm peak Pompey Line departures compared to the consultation timetables - being the opposites of the xx18 currently occupied by extra Southampton line services. Presumably if the timetable holds in May then we may see the couple of extra peak services an hour in December.

Pompey Line am services seem complete with 12 services from south of Guildford in two hours.

 

[pompeyfan]

Look at all those 10 and 12 car formations

*shudders*

 

[mchd2000]

Be interesting to see if they want to free up 450s or 444s for the Pompey - Bournemouth service which presumably is on the cards for December?

From what I can see we are now only missing two pm peak Pompey Line departures compared to the consultation timetables - being the opposites of the xx18 currently occupied by extra Southampton line services. Presumably if the timetable holds in May then we may see the couple of extra peak services an hour in December.

Pompey Line am services seem complete with 12 services from south of Guildford in two hours.

Yes I agree that they are nearly fulfilling their timetable consultation commitments in terms of service frequencies in the peaks - However, services are still timetabled to take far longer than initially planned.
E.g the 7:03 fast HSL-WAT service is due to take 54 mins from May 20th (an extra 3 on the timetable it is replacing).
The consultation lists fast trains as taking 47 mins! It feels as though SWR are seeking a more metro style service, though maybe this will change in due course with the improved acceleration possible from the 442s?

 

[K.o.R]

Look at all those 10 and 12 car formations

*shudders*

Are long trains bad...?

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Again, these are long term plan so may not be the reality from May 19th due to lack of available 442s.

Monday-Friday
...

I don’t want to be a sourpuss but it’s bad enough that some **00 and **30 fasts are remaining 444 after we were pretty much told it’d be 100% 442 on the fasts, (yet I guess it’s not too bad a couple of 444s) but it is disgraceful that 450s will continue to do not even one but like three or four fasts when we were promised no more 3+2 on the 00/30 fasts...

 

[pompeyfan]

Are long trains bad...?

I need to answer this carefully....

During the peaks and even shoulder peaks, they are fully justified, I also understand it’s a franchise commitment to provide a certain amount of extra seats, I also understand that splitting and attaching adds to operational risk as well as requiring additional drivers to bring units to and from the sidings.

However personally, from a selfish point of view I would much rather that capacity matched the demand throughout the day, including during very quiet periods.

 

[swt_passenger]

Yes I agree that they are nearly fulfilling their timetable consultation commitments in terms of service frequencies in the peaks - However, services are still timetabled to take far longer than initially planned.
E.g the 7:03 fast HSL-WAT service is due to take 54 mins from May 20th (an extra 3 on the timetable it is replacing).
The consultation lists fast trains as taking 47 mins! It feels as though SWR are seeking a more metro style service, though maybe this will change in due course with the improved acceleration possible from the 442s?

The timetable change isn’t really happening yet, they are basically just adding extra trains or extending some existing trains around the usual timetable. This is a transition towards some future Big Bang. At least that’s how it seems on the Weymouth route...

I think we’re veering away from 442 now so perhaps the more general timetable stuff should be in a different thread...

 

[theironroad]

The timetable change isn’t really happening yet, they are basically just adding extra trains or extending some existing trains around the usual timetable. This is a transition towards some future Big Bang. At least that’s how it seems on the Weymouth route...

I think we’re veering away from 442 now so perhaps the more general timetable stuff should be in a different thread...

There is:
https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/swr-new-services.176482/

 

[K.o.R]

I need to answer this carefully....

During the peaks and even shoulder peaks, they are fully justified, I also understand it’s a franchise commitment to provide a certain amount of extra seats, I also understand that splitting and attaching adds to operational risk as well as requiring additional drivers to bring units to and from the sidings.

However personally, from a selfish point of view I would much rather that capacity matched the demand throughout the day, including during very quiet periods.

Fair enough; I would rather have a huge train and not need it.

 

[Dren Ahmeti]

However personally, from a selfish point of view I would much rather that capacity matched the demand throughout the day, including during very quiet periods.

I would rather cart round fresh air, than split a service, have to path it into a siding or a yard, and find the drivers to do that!
Where else would they go? Every other line is maximum length with coaches!
No point in making them sit around, there are enough units that do that between the peaks anyways.

 

[HamworthyGoods]

I would rather cart round fresh air, than split a service, have to path it into a siding or a yard, and find the drivers to do that!
Where else would they go? Every other line is maximum length with coaches!
No point in making them sit around, there are enough units that do that between the peaks anyways.

The modern railway in London and South East is very much moving towards this principle. The London area yards are at capacity with the additional peak services (in this case Clapham Yard) so no room for stock off trains which have been split to reduce formations. There are very tangible performance benefits in keeping trains together all day, SSWT proved this a long time ago on the main suburban. Having longer trains also helps tackle random spikes in traffic which can occur during the day and on many services off-peak and now late evening from Waterloo 5 cars just isn’t enough.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Fair enough; I would rather have a huge train and not need it.

You can to some extent manage this by diagramming - if you have fixed formation 8s and 12s like Thameslink, say, you can diagram things so the 8s are all already on their way out of London and the 12s on their way in at the high peak. VTWC are very good at diagramming the 9 and 11-car Pendolinos to meet demand.

There is also the point (as you say) that there is something extremely pleasurable about travelling on an unnecessary long train off-peak with a bay each. That said, it's probably not great for the environment.

But back to 442s, aren't they required to run in pairs for reliability reasons?

 

[swt_passenger]

But back to 442s, aren't they required to run in pairs for reliability reasons?

That was the reasoning given by SWR, (It's in a track access application - see below) and results in them not being used on Weymouth services.

Section 5.1...
The 18 Class 442 units we are introducing in Dec 18 will be re-tractioned with the latest AC traction systems. They will operate in fixed 10-car formation to avoid performance risks from splitting and joining.
https://orr.gov.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0004/25582/first-mtr-swt-s17-app-form.pdf

 

[theironroad]

You can to some extent manage this by diagramming - if you have fixed formation 8s and 12s like Thameslink, say, you can diagram things so the 8s are all already on their way out of London and the 12s on their way in at the high peak. VTWC are very good at diagramming the 9 and 11-car Pendolinos to meet demand.

There is also the point (as you say) that there is something extremely pleasurable about travelling on an unnecessary long train off-peak with a bay each. That said, it's probably not great for the environment.

But back to 442s, aren't they required to run in pairs for reliability reasons?

Certainly the engineering director has said that. It means that the assisting train is already on site! Certainly off peak, the plan will see 442 services interlaced with 444or 450 south of Guildford where providing assistance becomes harder and far more time consuming .

 

[pigs bay]

Is this goodbye to 2405 & 2424. I took these pics today at Eastleigh Arlingtons. Such a good pair of units gone to waste!!!
442405 on the left and 442424 on the right