Class 458/5

[Goldfish62]

458501 Out of service - fire damaged
458502 In service
458503 In service
458504 In service
458505 In service 21/04/15
458508 Doncaster 24/06/15
458509 Wimbledon testing 18/07/15
458510 In service 28/04/15
458511 In service 04/05/15
458812 Doncaster 19/08/15
458515 Doncaster 05/07/15
458518 In service 20/07/15
458019 Wimbledon testing 31/07/15
458520 In service
458522 Doncaster 20/07/15
458523 Doncaster 05/08/15
458524 In service 26/05/15
458525 In service 09/06/15
458526 Wimbledon testing 04/07/15
458527 In service 20/07/15
458529 Doncaster 08/06/15
458530 In service
458531 In service
458532 In service
458533 In service
458534 In service
458535 In service
458536 In service

In summary:

8 458s remaining (458006, 458007, 458013, 458014, 458016, 458017, 458021, 458028)
1 458/5 in repair process
3 458/5s being tested
6 458/5s in conversion
18 458/5s in service

Looks like we're not far from reaching the end-game for 458/0s in regular service.

 

[SpacePhoenix]

Looking at the list of remaining 458/0s (458006, 458007, 458013, 458014, 458016, 458017, 458021, 458028) it's a shame that another rail tour with a pair of them couldn't have been run as a repeat of the one earlier in the year

 

[Dstock7080]

458 014 running as 4-car around 2225 Clapham Junc UP.

 

[Goldfish62]

Looking at the list of remaining 458/0s (458006, 458007, 458013, 458014, 458016, 458017, 458021, 458028) it's a shame that another rail tour with a pair of them couldn't have been run as a repeat of the one earlier in the year

I imagine that when the railtour was planned it was envisaged that the conversion programme would be complete a lot sooner.

 

[swt_passenger]

Unit 458529 was reported as returned to Wimbledon yesterday.

 

[Bigfoot]

On Sunday afternoon there is a 10 car 458 running too and from Waterloo and Woking to Portsmouth. Testing asdo beacons.

5Z18 clj to wat
5Z19 wat to pmh
5Z20 pmh to wok
5Z21 wok to pms
5Z22 pms to clj

All via Eastleigh.

 

[Top Cat]

5Z19 & 5Z20 are running via Guilford/Petersfield, 5Z21 and 5Z22 via Basingstoke/Eastleigh

 

[HarleyDavidson]

WM men can go and fetch their own toys if they conk out down there, we don't know 458 (aka 459) stock anymore.
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Noticed a pair of 458/5's at Guildford today awaiting a path south.

 

[swt_passenger]

458509 leading 458533
10 min early at Havant, then held for other traffic.
Will add picture of arrival at Portsmouth Harbour later.

 

[HarleyDavidson]

Do you mean to say it didn't breakdown!

 

[swt_passenger]

Do you mean to say it didn't breakdown!

I think the chap on the PA had some kind of breakdown, he really went overboard on the local announcements about people having to keep away from the train on P4, as it was not in public use, blah blah.

Of course the auto announcements, and the PIS screens, had already done all that as it approached.

 

[HarleyDavidson]

I always find it slightly disconcerting when the CIS announces to please stand clear of the platform edge, the approaching train is not scheduled to stop at this station.

Particularly so when it's at places where it's a dead end like Portsmouth Harbour or terminal platform like Hampton Court/Guildford/Shepperton!

 

[swt_passenger]

I always find it slightly disconcerting when the CIS announces to please stand clear of the platform edge, the approaching train is not scheduled to stop at this station.

Particularly so when it's at places where it's a dead end like Portsmouth Harbour or terminal platform like Hampton Court/Guildford/Shepperton!

Agree, and what's worse is that PMH also gets the regular "fast trains pass through this station without warning" every so often as well...

 

[Y186520]

Was just approaching Winchester station and there it was so a hasty snap.

 

[WWTownEnth]

458501 Out of service - fire damaged
458502 In service
458503 In service
458504 In service
458505 In service 21/04/15
458508 Doncaster 24/06/15
458509 In service 29/08/15
458510 In service 28/04/15
458511 In service 04/05/15
458812 Doncaster 19/08/15
458515 Doncaster 05/07/15
458518 In service 20/07/15
458019 Wimbledon testing 31/07/15
458520 In service
458522 Doncaster 20/07/15
458523 Doncaster 05/08/15
458524 In service 26/05/15
458525 In service 09/06/15
458526 In service 29/08/15
458527 In service 20/07/15
458529 Wimbledon testing 25/08/15
458530 In service
458531 In service
458532 In service
458533 In service
458534 In service
458535 In service
458536 In service

In summary:

8 458s remaining (458006, 458007, 458013, 458014, 458016, 458017, 458021, 458028)
1 458/5 in repair process
2 458/5s in testing
5 458/5s in conversion
20 458/5s in service

 

[swt_passenger]

As 458509 was out and about on the ASDO trial yesterday, it presumably can't be long until it enters passenger service? It would be odd to use an 'untested' unit to do that sort of testing...

 

[Goldfish62]

458501 Out of service - fire damaged
458502 In service
458503 In service
458504 In service
458505 In service 21/04/15
458508 Doncaster 24/06/15
458509 Wimbledon testing 18/07/15
458510 In service 28/04/15
458511 In service 04/05/15
458812 Doncaster 19/08/15
458515 Doncaster 05/07/15
458518 In service 20/07/15
458019 Wimbledon testing 31/07/15
458520 In service
458522 Doncaster 20/07/15
458523 Doncaster 05/08/15
458524 In service 26/05/15
458525 In service 09/06/15
458526 Wimbledon testing 04/07/15
458527 In service 20/07/15
458529 Wimbledon testing 25/08/15
458530 In service
458531 In service
458532 In service
458533 In service
458534 In service
458535 In service
458536 In service

In summary:

8 458s remaining (458006, 458007, 458013, 458014, 458016, 458017, 458021, 458028)
1 458/5 in repair process
4 458/5s being tested
5 458/5s in conversion
18 458/5s in service

458526 in service today.
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458526 in service today.

And 458509.

 

[HarleyDavidson]

458526 has actually been in service for a few days, I've seen it coupled to its sister unit 525 on the Weybridge bay services.

 

[JonathanH]

458509 in service this morning - 2S11 0652 London Waterloo to Weybridge

 

[Kite159]

458501 was sat outside Doncaster on Monday, I'm guessing the repairs have been complete and its waiting to come back down south?

 

[Feathers44]

I travelled on a couple yesterday just for the sake of it (changed sides at CJ on the way to and from Waterloo). I was hoping for a /0 on at least one leg just because I've never been on one of those either but I'll settle for the /5s I got.

They're still very shiny on the outside, particularly when modelled against the 450s but the gum coated interior was a little less fresh. A smooth ride. Smoother than the 455s just before and afterwards, anyway.

Nothing to do with the rolling stock but I did notice the aircraft style "Welcome to Waterloo" speech we got on arrival as something I'm not accustomed to. Is that normal on outer suburban stock as opposed to the inners that I normally ride?

 

[5920]

458501 was sat outside Doncaster on Monday, I'm guessing the repairs have been complete and its waiting to come back down south?

I wouldn't hold hope if you guess the lottery numbers

Miles off. Rumours are it'll be the last one out, behind the last conversion.

 

[387star]

with the 707s coming noone seems sure of future fleet allocations though it has been suggested 458s will return to the reading route

could they be used on portsmouth to southampton stoppers? someone has suggested that as 75mph no problem

 

[MCR247]

What would make them want to do that? :?

 

[TEW]

They'll be returning to Reading services to increase the Reading Line services to 10-carriages. The displaced 450s strengthen more mainline services to 12-carriages and displace 456s from Guildford-Ascot for more 10-car suburban services.

 

[swt_passenger]

They'll be returning to Reading services to increase the Reading Line services to 10-carriages. The displaced 450s strengthen more mainline services to 12-carriages and displace 456s from Guildford-Ascot for more 10-car suburban services.

I also thought that was all public knowledge, I'm quite surprised ml thinks that 'no-one seems sure'. It's definitely been discussed earlier in this thread...

 

[TEW]

I've posted the exact thing more than once I believe, probably at least once on this very thread!

 

[swt_passenger]

I've posted the exact thing more than once I believe, probably at least once on this very thread!

SWT also published this a while ago, which needs some reading between the lines:

The new second generation Desiro City trains being provided by Siemens are similar in style to the Class 700 units being produced for the Thameslink route.

They will be used to operate ten carriage trains on the busy Waterloo to Windsor services, allowing a cascade of trains across the network to ultimately deliver significant extra capacity on other key routes into London Waterloo. Longer trains will run from Staines through to Bracknell, Ascot and Reading and on a number of mainline services from Basingstoke to London Waterloo.

Ten carriage services will be introduced on the main suburban network for the first time, benefitting passengers travelling to stations such as Kingston, Epsom, Hampton Court and Guildford via Cobham.

http://www.southwesttrains.co.uk/Pa...n order for UKs busiest commuter network.aspx

Although it doesn't expressly mention 458/5s it clearly describes how the nett result of the 707s arrival is that Reading will get longer trains, (and that's known to be a 10 car project) and 'mainline' services will be increased and lengthened. So that latter bit needs 450s, and the only realistic place to get them from is the Reading line.

 

[Goldfish62]

SWT also published this a while ago, which needs some reading between the lines:



Although it doesn't expressly mention 458/5s it clearly describes how the nett result of the 707s arrival is that Reading will get longer trains, (and that's known to be a 10 car project) and 'mainline' services will be increased and lengthened. So that latter bit needs 450s, and the only realistic place to get them from is the Reading line.

SWT have stated on many occasions that the 458/5s are going back to the Reading line. You can't get more definitive than that - unless of course the platform extensions and power upgrade are ditched due to spending cuts.

 

[hassaanhc]

Yesterday the rugby resulted in at least 10 units (5 pairs) in use:

458503+458527 on the 2V49 1707 London Waterloo to London Waterloo
458526+458533 on the 2Z20 1707 Twickenham to London Waterloo (extra)
458530+458504 on the 2R31 1245 London Waterloo to London Waterloo
458536+458535 on the 2S39 1352 London Waterloo to Weybridge (I think it was this service)
And one pair I couldn't identify.