Class 465 Refreshes

[SouthEastern-465]

I caught 465177 yesterday at London Bridge had the new Livery, but no new interior which I was suprised by.

 

[Class 466]

Wabtec Corporation Unit Awarded Contract To Overhaul Transit Cars For Angel Trains
Wabtec Corporation announced that its Wabtec Rail subsidiary in Doncaster, England has been awarded a $26 million contract to overhaul 286 transit cars for Angel Trains. The project is expected to run through 2014. The Class 465 and 466 Electric Multiple Units (EMUs) are currently leased by Angels Trains to London South Eastern Railway. The work will be performed at Wabtec Rail's facility in Doncaster.

 

[Barn]

I caught 465177 yesterday at London Bridge had the new Livery, but no new interior which I was suprised by.

The opposite is true too: there are some examples of new seat covers with old livery.

 

[SouthEastern-465]

I have seen several units now in the new SouthEastern livery, and been in a refurbed one, not a big diffrence if I am honest just a bit cleaner.

 

[Class 466]

Here are some picture of the newly Reliveried Class 465 913

http://http://www.flickr.com/photos/arriva2010/4693932561/in/photostream/?addedcomment=1#comment72157624164493695
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sorry here is the link

http://www.flickr.com/photos/arriva2010/4693932561/in/photostream/?addedcomment=1#comment72157624164493695

 

[Class 466]

Wabtec Rail Limited has been awarded the contract by Angel Trains for the C6 overhaul of their Class 456 and 466 EMU’s and the C4 overhaul of their Class 466 EMU’s. The units are currently leased from Angel Trains by London South Eastern Railway (Southeastern).

There are 50 x 4 car Class 465 units to undergo C6 overhaul and 43 x 2 car Class 466 units to undergo both C4 and C6 overhaul. The first unit is due on works in March 2010 and the last unit is expected to be completed by the end of 2014.

The overhauls will be carried out in Wabtec Rail’s Heavy Shop and will be Project Managed by Mark Kynman who successfully managed the recently completed project for the refurbishment of the NXEC HST Trailer Cars.

This contract builds upon the already strong and successful relationship between Wabtec Rail and Angel Trains.

 

[bengley]

I saw a repainted 465 at Strood yesterday. Looks really nice.

 

[Fincra5]

I saw a repainted 465 at Strood yesterday. Looks really nice.

Yea but it is a really boring livery. :roll:

 

[brad465]

In my view, at the moment if a 465 has a new seat refurbishment, it is unlikely to have a new paint job. As well as if there is a new paint job, the seats on that will won't have yet been refurbished, i know because living in the crayford area I have seen and travelled on many of them since 1st refurbishments were made.

The best paint job in my opinion it has had is the NSE livery.

The bidding Southeastern has made so far has allowed the franchise to run till around 2014 I think, so really they should have either not bothered refurbishing them if they were going to do them now, since they're already halfway through service, or refurbished them when they bought the franchise, unless at the time they were short of finances.
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Wabtec Rail Limited has been awarded the contract by Angel Trains for the C6 overhaul of their Class 456 and 466 EMU’s and the C4 overhaul of their Class 466 EMU’s. The units are currently leased from Angel Trains by London South Eastern Railway (Southeastern).

There are 50 x 4 car Class 465 units to undergo C6 overhaul and 43 x 2 car Class 466 units to undergo both C4 and C6 overhaul. The first unit is due on works in March 2010 and the last unit is expected to be completed by the end of 2014.

The overhauls will be carried out in Wabtec Rail’s Heavy Shop and will be Project Managed by Mark Kynman who successfully managed the recently completed project for the refurbishment of the NXEC HST Trailer Cars.

This contract builds upon the already strong and successful relationship between Wabtec Rail and Angel Trains.

I take it this is from wikipedia, cause it looks familiar, but, it sounds about right anyway

 

[Class 466]

i got it from wabtec rails site and put it on here and wikipedia

 

[RobShipway]

So the refresh of class 465 & 466 will end just as the franchise is going to be renewed in 2014?

 

[Aictos]

When they merge Southern, South West Trains and South Eastern and just call the new super franchise Southern!

Hopefully fingers cross I might just see one on Friday if the signaller plays ball and routes it correctly that is!

 

[brad465]

i got it from wabtec rails site and put it on here and wikipedia

fair enough

 

[Class 466]

So the refresh of class 465 & 466 will end just as the franchise is going to be renewed in 2014?

But Probably Govia Will retain the franchise because of there Part in The Thameslink program which finishes in 2015

 

[SouthEastern-465]

Anyone seen the unit with the blue doors and navy blue trim? Looks great on the unit. Although NSE Toothpaste looked better on them.

 

[Class 466]

Anyone seen the unit with the blue doors and navy blue trim? Looks great on the unit. Although NSE Toothpaste looked better on them.

That is the livery that will be applied to the 465/2s /9s and 466s
the 465/0s and 1s will receive the livery variation without the navy blue trim...

 

[MCR247]

Why is that?

 

[466.networkers]

That is the livery that will be applied to the 465/2s /9s and 466s
the 465/0s and 1s will receive the livery variation without the navy blue trim...

Can someone define "navy blue trim"?

Does this refer to the new seat covers which look like the following:


IMG00083-20100318-1721 by Photos By Ryan, on Flickr


And if the 'navy blue trim' is referring to the seat covers, then Class 466 is wrong with his post as AFAIK all the re-liveried 465s so far have had an internal refresh as well including, and not limited to, the new seat covers as seen in my picture above.

 

[Voyager 2093]

When they merge Southern, South West Trains and South Eastern and just call the new super franchise Southern!

Hopefully fingers cross I might just see one on Friday if the signaller plays ball and routes it correctly that is!

Merge? Don't you think that will be very costly, first to re livery the trains which I'm sure will exceed well over 400 and then cause problems that we have seen with FCC recently.

 

[Fincra5]

Could be wrong but I did thing the plan was for FCC, Southern and Southeastern to become a large franchise. A new NSE if you will.

 

[466.networkers]

Merge? Don't you think that will be very costly, first to re livery the trains which I'm sure will exceed well over 400 and then cause problems that we have seen with FCC recently.

Could be wrong but I did thing the plan was for FCC, Southern and Southeastern to become a large franchise. A new NSE if you will.

Southeastern's new livery is the way it is due to the possible merge of the FCC, Southern and SET franchises in 2015. I have heard this from more than one source.

Fincra5 is correct, there will obviously be a stock shuffle (the talk is of Networkers moving to the Southern area, and SET will get Electrostars back).

Jamaal - you mention FCC and their recent problems - is this the Thameslink driver shortage?

 

[Electrostar]

I wonder if blue trim refers to a blue bodywork skirt under the windows?

Am I right in thinking Southern and FCC Electrostars and SWT Desiros are white bodied with liveries made up of vinyl covers? The SE Networkers are predominantly white but were due for a repaint, hence it made sense to limit a drastic change of livery if there's a new franchisee in a few years' time, which brings us right back to the original debate about SE's rather vanilla livery.

As for Networkers moving to Southern, are we talking about the 465s and 466s or FCC's 365s? The 365s are capable of dual voltage operation although only around 16 were used on the third rail network, by (Connex) SouthEastern. The rest, with black roofs, only ever operated under the overhead wires I believe. The SE later joined their WAGN counterparts and had shoes removed.

 

[466.networkers]

I think blue trim refers to a blue bodywork skirt under the windows.

Am I right in thinking Southern and FCC Electrostars and SWT Desiros are white bodied with liveries made up of vinyl coverings. The SE Networkers are predominantly white but were due for a repaint, hence it made sense to limit a drastic change of livery if there's a new franchisee in a few years time, which brings us right back to the original debate about SE's rather vanilla livery.

As for Networkers moving to Southern, are we talking about the 465-6s or FCC's 365s? They're capable of dual voltage operation although only around 16 were ever employed by (Connex) SouthEastern. The rest, with black roofs, only ever operated from the overhead wires I believe.

Ah right, something like the livery on 465913 (only unit I've seen like it).

We are talking about the DC Networkers, the 365s would be needed for the GN route.

 

[Electrostar]

You replied while I was editing my post. Just to clarify the blue trim/skirt was a guess.

How many Networkers and Electrostars are we talking? What's the point of it all?

 

[466.networkers]

Here are the numbers for the DC Networkers and Electrostars:

Class 465/0 50 units (465001-050)
Class 465/1 46 units (465151-197)
Class 465/2 15 units (465235-250)
Class 465/9 34 units (465901-934)
Class 466/0 43 units (466001-043)
Total number of Class 465/466 - 198

Class 375/3 10 units (375301-310)
Class 375/6 30 units (375601-630)
Class 375/7 15 units (375701-715)
Class 375/8 30 units (375801-830)
Class 375/9 27 units (375901-927)
Total number of Class 375 - 112

Class 377/1 64 units (377101-164)
Class 377/2 15 units (377201-215)
Class 377/3 28 units (377301-328)
Class 377/4 75 units (377401-475)
Class 377/5 23 units (377501-523) (Operated by FCC)
Total number of Class 377 - 205

 

[Electrostar]

I meant how many were being swapped? They're surely not thinking of giving Vic/ Brighton commuters a 465?
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With SE High Speed not being as popular as hoped you'd imagine if anything they'd cascade the older stock (319s perhaps) to some classic Kent lines and send Electrostars to Southern/FCC in an attempt to drive up SEHS sales. I'm not advocating that btw!

 

[466.networkers]

Sorry, misread your post ...

If you have a look at the numbers, I would say Southern will get all the Networkers which means practically all 377s would go to SET.

That's my guess anyway.

As for 319s - they're going up North aren't they?

 

[Electrostar]

I'm not too up on the Thameslink Programme but the only way I can see this happening is if many of the Southern express lines are getting new stock. A non-corridor Networker for an Electrostar has got to be a step back. I remember when Connex first launched the 319/2s; three units on the Brighton Express meant three trolley services because of a lack of corridor connections.

 

[MCR247]

Fincra5 is correct, there will obviously be a stock shuffle (the talk is of Networkers moving to the Southern area, and SET will get Electrostars back).
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Get the electrostars back? They never had 377s? :?

 

[Electrostar]

I think poster meant as in back in return. I don't think he was suggesting SE had ever had the 377s.