Mikey C
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The Crossrail delay will add to the pressure on Southeastern...
Surely a derogation. You cant just stop using them it'd be a huge drop in capacity. 10 car networkers are already packed on some lines.
And how many 465s still need work doing?
Today I spotted 465195 with no refurbishment, so they've not finished with all of them yet (although I'm confident it must be one of a few at the very most not yet done).
But can anyone clarify if the refurbishment is still ongoing? If it is then the incomplete status of the whole 465 fleet could explain why none of the 466s are done from what I've seen; if it has been at least paused then the whole franchise situation (which is another thread/story) maybe an explanation into such a pause.
466s will have modifications to Door Sounders, Grab handles etc, but no new toilet / additional disabled spaces. From 31 December 2019 they will no longer be permitted to run without a PRM 465 attached to them. https://assets.publishing.service.g...le/756924/angel-class-466-31-october-2018.pdf
A wheelchair passenger is unwittingly loaded into to non-modified 466 by platform staff at one of the few staffed stations and then needs the toilet, how are they meant to do this? Get out of the DOO 466 without a ramp and (considering the vast bulk of the stations they serve are unstaffed for most of the day), then get back into the attached modified 465 without a ramp?
Seems a daft rule saying they can run attached to a 465 unit that can't be accessed by a disabled person from the 466. Surely they need to just do them up. Its not like they haven't had enough notice!
Surely this is no different to if the staff accidentally loaded the wheelchair user into one of the 465 carriages without the toilet?A wheelchair passenger is unwittingly loaded into to non-modified 466 by platform staff at one of the few staffed stations and then needs the toilet, how are they meant to do this? Get out of the DOO 466 without a ramp and (considering the vast bulk of the stations they serve are unstaffed for most of the day), then get back into the attached modified 465 without a ramp?
Seems a daft rule saying they can run attached to a 465 unit that can't be accessed by a disabled person from the 466. Surely they need to just do them up. Its not like they haven't had enough notice!
They'll be loaded onto the 465 part!
Surely this is no different to if the staff accidentally loaded the wheelchair user into one of the 465 carriages without the toilet?
That’s helpful information as I’d noticed they seemed to have stopped fitting new toilets to the BREL units that have otherwise been ‘done’.The work is ongoing with all 465/2/9s completed and work progressing on the 465/0/1s following on from a toilet redesign on them.
Surely this is no different to if the staff accidentally loaded the wheelchair user into one of the 465 carriages without the toilet?
466s will have modifications to Door Sounders, Grab handles etc, but no new toilet / additional disabled spaces. From 31 December 2019 they will no longer be permitted to run without a PRM 465 attached to them. https://assets.publishing.service.g...le/756924/angel-class-466-31-october-2018.pdf
466022 will be the first unit to be refurbished at Ilford (Not Doncaster). Followed by 466026 a week later. Eventually they’ll head to Ilford in Pairs.
^I misread this as ‘heading to Paris’!466022 will be the first unit to be refurbished at Ilford (Not Doncaster). Followed by 466026 a week later. Eventually they’ll head to Ilford in Pairs.
Nope, Ilford has room for both!Guessing these are taking the place of the 378's whose refresh is temporarily halted?
They'll also need something for the Medway Valley (1 unit - the other two are 375/3s) and Sheerness Branch (2 units)Will need to be a 465 on the Grove Park Bromley North shuttle presumably after Dec 2019 as that is just a sole 466
Already asked that in post #42 and earlier last year.They'll also need something for the Medway Valley (1 unit - the other two are 375/3s) and Sheerness Branch (2 units)
Still what I said earlier, the restrictions are in place as part of an agreement between SE & DFT not to run them alone in order to comply.Already asked that in post #42 and earlier last year.
Is this a full compliance refurbishment then, or will it be what you said earlier (#34)? If full compliance then the lone workers' problem is solved, otherwise it will be 465s or 375s taking them on.
Sorry, for the thread resurrection, but does anyone know the current state of the refurbishment programme?
Easy fix for the 466s: get rid of the toilet!Complete nonsense that the 466s will be non compliant because their toilet is non compliant whereas the 376s will be compliant despite having no compliant toilet either (as they have no toilet) but back on topic...
I saw a GBRF Class 66 hauling a 466 past Clapham Junction today en route for Ilford on 5X89, didn't catch the unit though, any idea which unit this was?