Class 701 'Aventra' trains for South Western Railway: progress updates

[03_179]

There were five at Clapham Junction yesterday.

037
043
017
028
014 (I think)

 

[Goldfish62]

There were five at Clapham Junction yesterday.

037
043
017
028
014 (I think)

Modern Railways reports that six are being based there for mainline driver training.

 

[03_179]

I could only see 5 yesterday

 

[Goldfish62]

I could only see 5 yesterday

Presumably because mainline driver training hadn't started yet. Still plenty of time to move the sixth one to there.

 

[Mainsideman]

Presumably because mainline driver training hadn't started yet. Still plenty of time to move the sixth one to there.

Has driver training started now?

 

[Goldfish62]

Has driver training started now?

I would be amazed if it had.

All I was trying to say was that the likely reason for 701s gathering in Clapham Yard is for when driver training starts, as reported by Modern Railways.

 

[59CosG95]

AFAIK this is the current state of play with the 701/0s:

• 001 - Worksop, stored
• 002 - Litchurch Lane, stored(?)
• 003 - Worksop, stored
• 004 - Long Marston, stored
• 005 - Worksop, stored
• 006 - Bournemouth(?), training(?)
• 007 - Worksop, stored
• 008 - Worksop, stored
• 009 - Eastleigh
• 010 - Worksop, stored
• 011 - Eastleigh
• 012 - Eastleigh
• 013 - Long Marston, stored
• 014 - outstationed for driver training at Clapham Jn
• 015 - MOD Bicester, stored
• 016 - Wimbledon Park CSD - recently extracted from Marchwood
• 017 - outstationed for driver training at Clapham Jn
• 018 - Long Marston, stored
• 019 - Wimbledon Park CSD - recently extracted from Marchwood
• 020 - Wembley Down Yard - recently extracted from Worksop
• 021 - Worksop, stored
• 022 - MOD Marchwood, stored
• 023 - Long Marston, stored
• 024 - MOD Bicester, stored - recently moved from Willesden
• 025 - Long Marston, stored
• 026 - Long Marston, stored
• 027 - Eastleigh
• 028 - outstationed for driver training at Clapham Jn
• 029 - Eastleigh
• 030 - Long Marston, stored
• 031 - Eastleigh
• 032 - MOD Marchwood, stored
• 033 - Long Marston, stored
• 034 - Long Marston, stored
• 035 - Wimbledon Park CSD
• 036 - Worksop, stored
• 037 - outstationed for driver training at Clapham Jn
• 038 - MOD Marchwood, stored
• 039 - Worksop, stored
• 040 - MOD Bicester, stored
• 041 - Long Marston, stored
• 042 - Wimbledon Park CSD
• 043 - Eastleigh
• 044 - outstationed for driver training at Clapham Jn
• 045 - MOD Marchwood, stored
• 046 - Eastleigh
• 047 - Eastleigh
• 048 - Long Marston, stored
• 049 - Eastleigh (?)
• 050 - Long Marston, stored
• 051 - Long Marston, stored
• 052 - Long Marston, stored
• 053 - Eastleigh
• 054 - Eastleigh
• 055 - yet to make an appearance
• 056 - Eastleigh
• 057 to 060 - yet to make an appearance

Let me know if my details are incorrect in any way!

 

[StewartStag]

AFAIK this is the current state of play with the 701/0s:

• 001 - Worksop, stored
• 002 - Litchurch Lane, stored(?)
• 003 - Worksop, stored
• 004 - Long Marston, stored
• 005 - Worksop, stored
• 006 - Bournemouth(?), training(?)
• 007 - Worksop, stored
• 008 - Worksop, stored
• 009 - Eastleigh
• 010 - Worksop, stored
• 011 - Eastleigh
• 012 - Eastleigh
• 013 - Long Marston, stored
• 014 - outstationed for driver training at Clapham Jn
• 015 - MOD Bicester, stored
• 016 - Wimbledon Park CSD - recently extracted from Marchwood
• 017 - outstationed for driver training at Clapham Jn
• 018 - Long Marston, stored
• 019 - Wimbledon Park CSD - recently extracted from Marchwood
• 020 - Wembley Down Yard - recently extracted from Worksop
• 021 - Worksop, stored
• 022 - MOD Marchwood, stored
• 023 - Long Marston, stored
• 024 - MOD Bicester, stored - recently moved from Willesden
• 025 - Long Marston, stored
• 026 - Long Marston, stored
• 027 - Eastleigh
• 028 - outstationed for driver training at Clapham Jn
• 029 - Eastleigh
• 030 - Long Marston, stored
• 031 - Eastleigh
• 032 - MOD Marchwood, stored
• 033 - Long Marston, stored
• 034 - Long Marston, stored
• 035 - Wimbledon Park CSD
• 036 - Worksop, stored
• 037 - outstationed for driver training at Clapham Jn
• 038 - MOD Marchwood, stored
• 039 - Worksop, stored
• 040 - MOD Bicester, stored
• 041 - Long Marston, stored
• 042 - Wimbledon Park CSD
• 043 - Eastleigh
• 044 - outstationed for driver training at Clapham Jn
• 045 - MOD Marchwood, stored
• 046 - Eastleigh
• 047 - Eastleigh
• 048 - Long Marston, stored
• 049 - Eastleigh (?)
• 050 - Long Marston, stored
• 051 - Long Marston, stored
• 052 - Long Marston, stored
• 053 - Eastleigh
• 054 - Eastleigh
• 055 - yet to make an appearance
• 056 - Eastleigh
• 057 to 060 - yet to make an appearance

Let me know if my details are incorrect in any way!

As per my post earlier today 021 is on its way from worksop to wembley

 

[444045]

AFAIK this is the current state of play with the 701/0s:

• 001 - Worksop, stored
• 002 - Litchurch Lane, stored(?)
• 003 - Worksop, stored
• 004 - Long Marston, stored
• 005 - Worksop, stored
• 006 - Bournemouth(?), training(?)
• 007 - Worksop, stored
• 008 - Worksop, stored
• 009 - Eastleigh
• 010 - Worksop, stored
• 011 - Eastleigh
• 012 - Eastleigh
• 013 - Long Marston, stored
• 014 - outstationed for driver training at Clapham Jn
• 015 - MOD Bicester, stored
• 016 - Wimbledon Park CSD - recently extracted from Marchwood
• 017 - outstationed for driver training at Clapham Jn
• 018 - Long Marston, stored
• 019 - Wimbledon Park CSD - recently extracted from Marchwood
• 020 - Wembley Down Yard - recently extracted from Worksop
• 021 - Worksop, stored
• 022 - MOD Marchwood, stored
• 023 - Long Marston, stored
• 024 - MOD Bicester, stored - recently moved from Willesden
• 025 - Long Marston, stored
• 026 - Long Marston, stored
• 027 - Eastleigh
• 028 - outstationed for driver training at Clapham Jn
• 029 - Eastleigh
• 030 - Long Marston, stored
• 031 - Eastleigh
• 032 - MOD Marchwood, stored
• 033 - Long Marston, stored
• 034 - Long Marston, stored
• 035 - Wimbledon Park CSD
• 036 - Worksop, stored
• 037 - outstationed for driver training at Clapham Jn
• 038 - MOD Marchwood, stored
• 039 - Worksop, stored
• 040 - MOD Bicester, stored
• 041 - Long Marston, stored
• 042 - Wimbledon Park CSD
• 043 - Eastleigh
• 044 - outstationed for driver training at Clapham Jn
• 045 - MOD Marchwood, stored
• 046 - Eastleigh
• 047 - Eastleigh
• 048 - Long Marston, stored
• 049 - Eastleigh (?)
• 050 - Long Marston, stored
• 051 - Long Marston, stored
• 052 - Long Marston, stored
• 053 - Eastleigh
• 054 - Eastleigh
• 055 - yet to make an appearance
• 056 - Eastleigh
• 057 to 060 - yet to make an appearance

Let me know if my details are incorrect in any way!

Thanks for the list @59CosG95 - I have the following at other locations, of course I may have missed a move but believe :

701006 at Eastleigh Airport Sidings.
701029 at Farnham Shed.
701035 at Farnham Shed.
701043 at Clapham Yard.
701046 at Marchwood MOD.
701047 at Wimbledon Park.
701049 at Wimbledon Park (Was/Is heavily graffitied)

 

[warwickshire]

I would be amazed if it had.

All I was trying to say was that the likely reason for 701s gathering in Clapham Yard is for when driver training starts, as reported by Modern Railways.

Today's Railways also states awaiting a final software upgrade, but looking likely, more likely early next year before one makes a early entry into public service, and also states around 66 per cent, of depot drivers fully trained at moment. Quite a interesting article about this as well in the Today's Railways issue.

 

[Goldfish62]

Today's Railways also states awaiting a final software upgrade, but looking likely, more likely early next year before one makes a early entry into public service, and also states around 66 per cent, of depot drivers fully trained at moment. Quite a interesting article about this as well in the Today's Railways issue.

Thanks. Yes, Modern Railways mentions the software upgrade.

It also states that the 10 car units will be predominantly based on the Windsor side, while the mainline suburban will be 2x5 car trains.

I suspect the ongoing overtime bans will indeed push service entry into next year.

 

[Wyrleybart]

To 59CosG95

Many thanks for this list.
Much appreciated

 

[swr444]

Thanks. Yes, Modern Railways mentions the software upgrade.

It also states that the 10 car units will be predominantly based on the Windsor side, while the mainline suburban will be 2x5 car trains.

I suspect the ongoing overtime bans will indeed push service entry into next year.

with "15" 2x5 car units I seriously doubt it, the suburban side needs way more than just the 15 full car sets the 30 5 cars will make up. I think they will just end up wherever is needed/allocated for that day.

It'll be interesting to see if the Guildford-Farnham and Ascot-Aldershot shuttles will end up being 1x5 701s or stick to being 1x4 450s

 

[Goldfish62]

with "15" 2x5 car units I seriously doubt it, the suburban side needs way more than just the 15 full car sets the 30 5 cars will make up. I think they will just end up wherever is needed/allocated for that day.

It'll be interesting to see if the Guildford-Farnham and Ascot-Aldershot shuttles will end up being 1x5 701s or stick to being 1x4 450s

I agree. Just reporting what it said.

There's going to be a huge surplus of 701s anyway given the timetable that the order quantity was based on will never see the light of day. Same as with Greater Anglia.

 

[moley]

If there is going to be a huge surplus of 701s then it would make sense to look at diagramming them to Alton / Haslemere and/or Basingstoke. This would release 450s and it would undoubtably be cheaper to convert the seating in a subclass of 450s than it would to undertake the whole 458 program.

If there is going to be a huge surplus of 701s then it would make sense to look at diagramming them to Alton / Haslemere and/or Basingstoke. This would release 450s and it would undoubtably be cheaper to convert the seating in a subclass of 450s than it would to undertake the whole 458 program.

Interestingly, the original route diagram for the 701s, showed to Alton, Hook and Witley. That's now been scaled back to Farnham, Woking and Guildford and doesn't include the Guildford to Farnham route.

 

[jackot]

Interestingly, the original route diagram for the 701s, showed to Alton, Hook and Witley. That's now been scaled back to Farnham, Woking and Guildford and doesn't include the Guildford to Farnham route.

It'll be interesting to see if the Guildford-Farnham and Ascot-Aldershot shuttles will end up being 1x5 701s or stick to being 1x4 450s

I am told the 701s going as far as Farnham and Aldershot will be ones taking over from the 458s (and occasionally 450s) that run Farnham to Waterloo via Ascot in the early morning and late evening, hence why the map doesn't extend as far as Alton.

I doubt they will take over from the 450s in regular service, as a 10 car 701 has about 300 less seats than a 12 car 450, and they are busy services at peak times. There were never firm plans for them to work Farnham to Guildford or the Ascot shuttles either that I am aware of, so I am unsure why it was ever published on the route map, unless they were thinking to put them on that route in future to free up some 450 diagrams as you said.

 

[Goldfish62]

There were never firm plans for them to work Farnham to Guildford or the Ascot shuttles either that I am aware of, so I am unsure why it was ever published on the route map, unless they were thinking to put them on that route in future to free up some 450 diagrams as you said.

If SWR wanted to release 450s it would make sense to do this.

 

[Mainsideman]

If there is going to be a huge surplus of 701s then it would make sense to look at diagramming them to Alton / Haslemere and/or Basingstoke. This would release 450s and it would undoubtably be cheaper to convert the seating in a subclass of 450s than it would to undertake the whole 458 program.


Interestingly, the original route diagram for the 701s, showed to Alton, Hook and Witley. That's now been scaled back to Farnham, Woking and Guildford and doesn't include the Guildford to Farnham route.

This would mean training basingstoke and farnham crews on them, which isnt planned as far as im aware?

 

[warwickshire]

Thanks. Yes, Modern Railways mentions the software upgrade.

It also states that the 10 car units will be predominantly based on the Windsor side, while the mainline suburban will be 2x5 car trains.

I suspect the ongoing overtime bans will indeed push service entry into next year.

Thanks, for update yes Today's Railways the same about Windsors and mainline suburban, yes it actually does mention about the ongoing and overtime and strike bans, that is indeed delaying things further.

 

[wickham]

Odd and a little confusing that 47727 hauled 701021 from Worksop to Wembley today and then according to reports hauled 701020 forward from Wembley to Eastleigh. There must be something significant about these units visiting Wembley as several have done so now. With Alstom now having a near monopoly of workshops and main depots (such as Wembley and Ilford) are they now using these depots to complete work that Derby Litchurch Lane is too busy to do ? A lot of preperation work is done at Eastleigh depot but this IS under different ownership, although it would be interesting to know who the staff work for who are doing this preperation and rectification work.

 

[TEW]

This would mean training basingstoke and farnham crews on them, which isnt planned as far as im aware?

Farnham crews will be trained for Reading, Farnham/Aldershot via Staines, Guildford via Cobham and Woking services. You could easily crew some trips to Basingstoke, but not a majority of services. AFAIK there's no plans to run them to Basingstoke though. 458/5s currently have booked work to Haslemere though, and previously did to Alton.

 

[rustbucket]

A lot of preperation work is done at Eastleigh depot but this IS under different ownership, although it would be interesting to know who the staff work for who are doing this preperation and rectification work.

Suspect Alstom - read an article recently that talked about how Arlington had rented out space to them.

Similarly with Hitachi for the cracks work, presumably to free up depot space for Hitachi

 

[60159]

AFAIK this is the current state of play with the 701/0s:

• 001 - Worksop, stored
• 002 - Litchurch Lane, stored(?)
• 003 - Worksop, stored
• 004 - Long Marston, stored
• 005 - Worksop, stored
• 006 - Bournemouth(?), training(?)
• 007 - Worksop, stored
• 008 - Worksop, stored
• 009 - Eastleigh
• 010 - Worksop, stored
• 011 - Eastleigh
• 012 - Eastleigh
• 013 - Long Marston, stored
• 014 - outstationed for driver training at Clapham Jn
• 015 - MOD Bicester, stored
• 016 - Wimbledon Park CSD - recently extracted from Marchwood
• 017 - outstationed for driver training at Clapham Jn
• 018 - Long Marston, stored
• 019 - Wimbledon Park CSD - recently extracted from Marchwood
• 020 - Wembley Down Yard - recently extracted from Worksop
• 021 - Worksop, stored
• 022 - MOD Marchwood, stored
• 023 - Long Marston, stored
• 024 - MOD Bicester, stored - recently moved from Willesden
• 025 - Long Marston, stored
• 026 - Long Marston, stored
• 027 - Eastleigh
• 028 - outstationed for driver training at Clapham Jn
• 029 - Eastleigh
• 030 - Long Marston, stored
• 031 - Eastleigh
• 032 - MOD Marchwood, stored
• 033 - Long Marston, stored
• 034 - Long Marston, stored
• 035 - Wimbledon Park CSD
• 036 - Worksop, stored
• 037 - outstationed for driver training at Clapham Jn
• 038 - MOD Marchwood, stored
• 039 - Worksop, stored
• 040 - MOD Bicester, stored
• 041 - Long Marston, stored
• 042 - Wimbledon Park CSD
• 043 - Eastleigh
• 044 - outstationed for driver training at Clapham Jn
• 045 - MOD Marchwood, stored
• 046 - Eastleigh
• 047 - Eastleigh
• 048 - Long Marston, stored
• 049 - Eastleigh (?)
• 050 - Long Marston, stored
• 051 - Long Marston, stored
• 052 - Long Marston, stored
• 053 - Eastleigh
• 054 - Eastleigh
• 055 - yet to make an appearance
• 056 - Eastleigh
• 057 to 060 - yet to make an appearance

Let me know if my details are incorrect in any way!

Hugely helpful thanks. Post 5540 suggests 12 of the 5 cars have also been built which by my calculation means 67/90 are built.
Any correction? Not on topic (apologies) but it seems to me that all 345s and 710s , 138 /145 720s,67/90 701s, and 43/48 730s have been built so Derby well thro’ their programme with mainly 730/1s left.
CAF done all 196s and I think 55/77 197s so they too are well advanced.

 

[dingdinger]

Farnham crews will be trained for Reading, Farnham/Aldershot via Staines, Guildford via Cobham and Woking services. You could easily crew some trips to Basingstoke, but not a majority of services. AFAIK there's no plans to run them to Basingstoke though. 458/5s currently have booked work to Haslemere though, and previously did to Alton.

Will Basingstoke sign 701s or will they lose Weybridge via Hounslow?

 

[swr444]

Will Basingstoke sign 701s or will they lose Weybridge via Hounslow?

This is another problem as it keeps their competency up for the Hounslow loop and chertsey. It will be interesting to know what will be done regarding diversionary route competency. I’m curious to know whether WAT metro guards will keep their desiro competency, as they often get long distance trains to work via cobham or chertsey when engineering work is taking place.

This would mean training basingstoke and farnham crews on them, which isnt planned as far as im aware?

Farnham will as they will be kept at Farnham depot

 

[Goldfish62]

This is another problem as it keeps their competency up for the Hounslow loop and chertsey. It will be interesting to know what will be done regarding diversionary route competency. I’m curious to know whether WAT metro guards will keep their desiro competency, as they often get long distance trains to work via cobham or chertsey when engineering work is taking place.

Given that, excluding the diesels, SWR will have just three classes (444, 450 and 701) I'm assuming this will enable competency across all classes for a lot more staff than the current and past situations?

 

[slicedbread]

Given that, excluding the diesels, SWR will have just three classes (444, 450 and 701)

Will there not also be 458 ?

 

[Snow1964]

Hugely helpful thanks. Post 5540 suggests 12 of the 5 cars have also been built which by my calculation means 67/90 are built.
Any correction? Not on topic (apologies) but it seems to me that all 345s and 710s , 138 /145 720s,67/90 701s, and 43/48 730s have been built so Derby well thro’ their programme with mainly 730/1s left.
CAF done all 196s and I think 55/77 197s so they too are well advanced.

Post 5540 was 7 weeks ago, so would expect at least another 50 vehicles (say 10 units of 5 cars) to have been built since, and with number of parallel production lines effectively 3 or 4 units of each type.

Without knowing the numbers, I'm guessing 0-5 10car and about 6-12 5car outstanding, so roughly 80 of 750 vehicles not finished. In other words about 90% built.

There are couple of early units that weren't fully fitted out so will need a rework, but I would expect them to be being done towards end of production run (which is anytime now)

 

[60159]

Post 5540 was 7 weeks ago, so would expect at least another 50 vehicles (say 10 units of 5 cars) to have been built since, and with number of parallel production lines effectively 3 or 4 units of each type.

Without knowing the numbers, I'm guessing 0-5 10car and about 6-12 5car outstanding, so roughly 80 of 750 vehicles not finished. In other words about 90% built.

There are couple of early units that weren't fully fitted out so will need a rework, but I would expect them to be being done towards end of production run (which is anytime now)

Many thanks.

Many thanks.

54 and 56 have been added in 5797 which takes up 20 vehicles.

 

[swr444]

Given that, excluding the diesels, SWR will have just three classes (444, 450 and 701) I'm assuming this will enable competency across all classes for a lot more staff than the current and past situations?

It’s more to do with who signs the routes used for diversions. Currently only Waterloo and Woking (possibly Wimbledon) who sign the Byfleet curve.