D365
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Thanks; I realised after posting that I was missing one.*Almost 710/2 and 710/3 units can also operate on 750V DC.
Thanks; I realised after posting that I was missing one.*Almost 710/2 and 710/3 units can also operate on 750V DC.
Back on duty today, being given the chance to redeem itself.A friend on board 701 043 who was hoping to get the 11.33 departure from Waterloo has advised it has just become the second ever in service failure, with a door fault, after two reboot attempts taking 30 minutes.
I doubt if they will be repainting anything before it's due. Probably removing the text and logos, but it will be a while (if ever) before everything is the same colour.It'll be odd seeing the 701s be repainted so early into their life if Labour do their rail plan of having everything under the same brand
Mp701D is the current term (from Modern railways) A 701D is a fault causing a specified number (that I can't recall) of delay minutes. As in this month's issue - figures for Period 11, approx figure for class 701 added:What is the MTIN of the 345s and 710s?
Thanks for this. I'd say the mp701D for the 701 is entirely typical of a new train, if not a bit better. The other Aventras were all down at this level at the start, except the 345s which were worse.Mp701D is the current term (from Modern railways) A 701D is a fault causing a specified number (that I can't recall) of delay minutes. As in this month's issue - figures for Period 11, approx figure for class 701 added:
Class 710/1 30,291
Class 720 17,978
Class 710/2 11,238
Class 195/0 7,919
Class 196 5,981
Class 345 5,650
Class 195/1 5,094
Class 197 4,699
Class 231 4,661
Class 730 3,759
Class 701 c 2,600
Class 720/6 2,580
Class 484 2,131
Class 769 1,745
Class 230 702
Class 777 645
Not an entirely fair comparison, as only 1.8% of the fleet - (1 train out of the 55 accepted to date) is required to be available to maintain the service. (or even 20%, if you only count those which have been used to date)Thanks for this. I'd say the mp701D for the 701 is entirely typical of a new train, if not a bit better. The other Aventras were all down at this level at the start, except the 345s which were worse.
It would have been interesting if we'd had such data when the 458s were first introduced. I suffered the almost daily carnage, most typically with the TMS crashing and not rebooting.
Even that isn’t an accurate representation - not all of the units that have been used in passenger service, are currently accepted for passenger operation.Not an entirely fair comparison, as only 1.8% of the fleet - (1 train out of the 55 accepted to date) is required to be available to maintain the service. (or even 20%, if you only count those which have been used to date)
Sorry, what? Are you saying that at least one of the five that have been used to date, is no longer fit for service? What happened to it (them)?Even that isn’t an accurate representation - not all of the units that have been used in passenger service, are currently accepted for passenger operation.
3 minutes or more, I believe.Back on duty today, being given the chance to redeem itself.
I doubt if they will be repainting anything before it's due. Probably removing the text and logos, but it will be a while (if ever) before everything is the same colour.
Mp701D is the current term (from Modern railways) A 701D is a fault causing a specified number (that I can't recall) of delay minutes. As in this month's issue - figures for Period 11, approx figure for class 701 added:
Class 710/1 30,291
Class 720 17,978
Class 710/2 11,238
Class 195/0 7,919
Class 196 5,981
Class 345 5,650
Class 195/1 5,094
Class 197 4,699
Class 231 4,661
Class 730 3,759
Class 701 c 2,600
Class 720/6 2,580
Class 484 2,131
Class 769 1,745
Class 230 702
Class 777 645
That can't be correct as Treasury will end up paying for two fleets and one that costs considerably more than what its replacing.One might almost feel some sympathy with DfT as the treasury seemingly won't okay the cost of the training course required which would, in time, lead to one less fleet.
Did they not turn it around to become the most reliable units in the UK, though?Thanks for this. I'd say the mp701D for the 701 is entirely typical of a new train, if not a bit better. The other Aventras were all down at this level at the start, except the 345s which were worse.
It would have been interesting if we'd had such data when the 458s were first introduced. I suffered the almost daily carnage, most typically with the TMS crashing and not rebooting.
A lot of that comes down to the wonderful guys down at Wimbledon depotDid they not turn it around to become the most reliable units in the UK, though?
Well, it certainly wasn’t down to Alstom!A lot of that comes down to the wonderful guys down at Wimbledon depot
Until they were converted to 5 cars then it all went downhill again and to this day remain SWR's most unreliable train.Did they not turn it around to become the most reliable units in the UK, though?
The statistics are for trains that operate in service. The actual number of units in a fleet is irrelevant as far as the published data comparison goes.Not an entirely fair comparison, as only 1.8% of the fleet - (1 train out of the 55 accepted to date) is required to be available to maintain the service. (or even 20%, if you only count those which have been used to date)
I realsie that, but it is much easier to achieve if you have a large number of units to draw from to provide the service.The statistics are for trains that operate in service. The actual number of units in a fleet is irrelevant as far as the published data comparison goes.
Indeed, although only 5 have ever appeared in service so the fleet is effectively 5 units. Or less than 5 if post #9065 is correct in that some of those units are being unaccepted.I realsie that, but it is much easier to achieve if you have a large number of units to draw from to provide the service.
Agreed. There re generally warranties on paint. Whilst they are not rail vehicles NXWM have a fleet of 64 plate Enviros which were delivered in red and white and are still in red and a mucky looking near white livery even though most other NXWM fleet are now maroon.I doubt if they will be repainting anything before it's due. Probably removing the text and logos, but it will be a while (if ever) before everything is the same colour.
The flaw in that, although it's true, is that the Treasury are currently not looking at the bigger picture only at the immediate outlay. A crazy way to run the country!That can't be correct as Treasury will end up paying for two fleets and one that costs considerably more than what its replacing.
Considering the potential of it, the PIS system and displays leave an awful lot to be desired.View attachment 157562
Massive missed opportunity to make these moving maps considering they are all right by the doors unlike other Aventras. Surely wouldn't be that complicated to implement, it's already pulling destination and next stop info
But the Chancellor and his boss want the potential to be able to promise (in about 3-4months time) tax cuts both before and after the election which requires not committing to a lot of spending so it doesn't appear on to the OBR "radar" for assessment.The flaw in that, although it's true, is that the Treasury are currently not looking at the bigger picture only at the immediate outlay. A crazy way to run the country!
That’s exactly the problem. The hardware specification was set 5+ years ago.Considering the potential of it, the PIS system and displays leave an awful lot to be desired.
Also made worse considering they've had 5 years to get these basic things spot on.
Perhaps that also shows just how terrible they were when they were delivered.Also made worse considering they've had 5 years to get these basic things spot on.
I have an answer to this a few months later. 41mph according to my calculations, considering it takes 22 seconds to clear it's length of 203.11mI wonder what speed it has reached by the time the rear cab is passing?
See post 8,204I have an answer to this a few months later. 41mph according to my calculations, considering it takes 22 seconds to clear it's length of 203.11m
Oh haha sorry, I only ever saw the acceleration calculationSee post 8,204
No need to apologise - there are over 9,000 posts now!Oh haha sorry, I only ever saw the acceleration calculation
If in doubt, 701 043RTT is being coy about which unit is working the diagram today.