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Look out for 710/1 being run in on the Gospel Oak.Appearance on the Watford DC may be imminent, then?
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Look out for 710/1 being run in on the Gospel Oak.Appearance on the Watford DC may be imminent, then?
Look out for 710/1 being run in on the Gospel Oak.
How will they get there?
With 317s on the old pneumatic buttons, leaning on the button before the train has even stopped means the door opens immediately it is released if you're still pressing it.People honestly can't make the connection of "button not lit=button does nothing"? And that's not even getting into the issues with having a button able to light up red or green.
710 longitudinal seating will go down like a pint of yesterday's sick on the Chingford services.
How will they get there?
That's what I always do on 317s. Works on Pacers/150s too.With 317s on the old pneumatic buttons, leaning on the button before the train has even stopped means the door opens immediately it is released if you're still pressing it.
Must admit when they replaced the 313s on the DC Lines out of Euston I thought the same, but most people much preferred the new trains. Will be interesting to see how these are received.710 longitudinal seating will go down like a pint of yesterday's sick on the Chingford services.
Must admit when they replaced the 313s on the DC Lines out of Euston I thought the same, but most people much preferred the new trains. Will be interesting to see how these are received.
Must admit when they replaced the 313s on the DC Lines out of Euston I thought the same, but most people much preferred the new trains. Will be interesting to see how these are received.
You can get from Willesden to Gospel Oak via AC only - exit onto the Down Slow, reverse on Up & Down Goods 1 or 2, then the City Lines round to Kensal Green Jn. Some trains are already booked that way
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/F25206/2019/08/28/advanced
Not necessarily. The peak-time Chingford services are often absolutely jam-packed. It's entirely possible people who are used to standing nose-to-armpit will welcome the return of their personal space...710 longitudinal seating will go down like a pint of yesterday's sick on the Chingford services.
Not necessarily. The peak-time Chingford services are often absolutely jam-packed. It's entirely possible people who are used to standing nose-to-armpit will welcome the return of their personal space...
I'm surprised that the Chingford service is so poor, 8-car trains @ 4-tph isn't very impressive.
I was around when the line was electrified, the off-peak service was 6-car trains @ 6-tph, & 9-car @ 9-tph in the peaks.
I'm sure that the Victoria Line took traffic away from BR, but commuting to the city would still be much quicker than using the tube.
class 710 to be introduced on the dc on September 9th.
I hadn't looked at this thread till today. You're absolutely right. I have a form of colour blindness and to me, the red and amber on traffic lights look fairly similar except that the amber one is brighter, while they both look different from the green one which I think is almost white. I can distinguish them knowing that the one at the top is red and the bottom one is green. But if a door button might be either red or green I probably wouldn't know which is which, especially if the shade of green was a deeper colour than traffic lights have. About 7% of males have some form of colour vision deficiency so I'm definitely not alone.Obviously using red/green to distinguish things is an awful idea when there's no physical separation between lights; road traffic lights get away with it because red is at the top and green the bottom.
So with black floors as well, which are known to cause some dementia sufferers to panic TfL aren't exactly doing well in taking into account potential disabilities!I hadn't looked at this thread till today. You're absolutely right. I have a form of colour blindness and to me, the red and amber on traffic lights look fairly similar except that the amber one is brighter, while they both look different from the green one which I think is almost white. I can distinguish them knowing that the one at the top is red and the bottom one is green. But if a door button might be either red or green I probably wouldn't know which is which, especially if the shade of green was a deeper colour than traffic lights have. About 7% of males have some form of colour vision deficiency so I'm definitely not alone.
I hadn't looked at this thread till today. You're absolutely right. I have a form of colour blindness and to me, the red and amber on traffic lights look fairly similar except that the amber one is brighter, while they both look different from the green one which I think is almost white. I can distinguish them knowing that the one at the top is red and the bottom one is green. But if a door button might be either red or green I probably wouldn't know which is which, especially if the shade of green was a deeper colour than traffic lights have. About 7% of males have some form of colour vision deficiency so I'm definitely not alone.
I do fear this may come out rude so please know I mean no disrespect but isn't that why there are different tones for opening and closing doors, they're there to serve everybody including those with visual impairment and not just the totally blind out of those who are visually impaired. I do think it's a silly idea for the door open button to be flashing when the doors are closing especially since there is a door close button right beneath it, however.
.Except the many trains on the network where the doors are simply released at a station and require the passenger to push a button .We know that when a train makes a scheduled stop at a station the doors will open, and a special sound before that happens is unnecessary.
.Except the many trains on the network where the doors are simply released at a station and require the passenger to push a button .
The tone is for visually impaired persons to know this has been done.
Having a tone on all trains standardise that experience.
I know they're on the other side of the station, but surely this must be helped by Crossrail 1 freeing up some slots. Shuffle things across?From what I gather, the issue now is available slots in to Liverpool Street, which may only be fixable with Crossrail 2 or similar taking more traffic away from its throat.
Not really as one platform is lost, 4tph still into P16/17 and the released capacity going to GEML fast services.I know they're on the other side of the station, but surely this must be helped by Crossrail 1 freeing up some slots. Shuffle things across?