It's been a good 3 or so years since I've travelled on 2x350 stopping at the shacks between International and New St, so I was bound to make a mistake! Maybe that means 730/0s don't use ASDO there, it definitely happened at Stechford though on the Up.
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I'm unlikely to work a 730-6 on the up at Lea Hall to check whilst I'm still with the company but I would be surprised if ASDO operated on that platform, as for Stechford it was/is required for both directions on 350s and 730s (Hence my mention of 9 door release).
trundlewagon
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I wouldn't hold your breath. The rear doors are still locked out at Longbridge on the Up even though they're accommodated by about a coach length.
I know, I sign both the route and traction. It will get sorted eventually. It also happens on the down direction at Longbridge also, but I'd rather ASDO be cautious than not.
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trundlewagon
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Up only at Longbridge. It's one that stands out as an error - at least most of the others [that have doors locked out] are a reasonably tight fit.
mansonlo49
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Anyone know how long will the 730/0 stay on the MK/Tring operations? want to get them a picture down in London before they move up, thanks much
OliverH68
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1W51 currently allox 730220/205.
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16:19. EUS-NMP.
It did used to do it, but I haven’t been positioned in the train to see it go off for a while now. They have had updates so I wouldn’t rule it out, although it still happens at Lichfield City too where I’d say it doesn’t need to either!
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One current wcml 730/0 diagram every fortnight goes over to 730/2 from 23rd June was the plan...
mansonlo49
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i forgotten how many 730/0 diagram on the wcml？thanks
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5 weekday -however it has been known for the 'Soho Swap' diagram to be sent straight back from Soho to Euston... 1 on a Saturday and a Sunday
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I'd be interested to know if 10 car 730s will be able to use the down fast line platform at Bushey. I believe 12 car 350s aren't allowed to stop there due to the platform only being able to accommodate 1x 4 car unit. It would make a massive difference to the always horribly overcrowded 2239 ex Euston which is only able to consist of 8 carriages.
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Thats great and all but the thing is with the 730s being “greener” Is, is this something that passengers are actually going to notice or benefit from though? It just feels like LNR needed another talking point for the sake of it.
Well I would hope 730/2s have more seats considering each carriage is longer and them also being 5 car instead of 4
I guess the next question is will the type os seats used in 730/2 actually result in a better quality journey for the regular commuter. Only time will tell
Bletchleyite
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350s can UDS* down to 4 from 12. I've seen it done years ago when a 12 car set was unexpectedly routed into Bletchley platform 6 during signalling issues, though it may well be the only time a 12 car has ever called there (and I don't think it would be possible to even do that now since the layout changed a number of years back).
I think it's just WMT procedure not to have 12 cars UDSed down to 4 because of the confusion it might cause (which could result in passcoms/egresses being pulled etc, particularly given that Bushey's short platform is generally only used at "vomit comet" times of day).
* Unit Deselect.
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Yes that all makes sense. Just wondering if the same will apply to the new trains, ie 10 car units being deemed too long (even if there's no specific rule preventing it, as you say).
Anyway sorry for the slight digression but that 2239 is something of a bugbear of mine, 8 carriages just isn't sufficient; it's the peak train for audiences and entertainment industry workers and it is often crush loaded. Hoping for light at the end of the tunnel with the 730s
Bletchleyite
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While there may be the issue of policy regarding 12 cars and Bushey I suspect it's also that they don't want to faff with the shunting and keep everything as simple 8 car sets, to be honest, because if they really wanted to lengthen that train they could just drop the Bushey stop entirely. Not sure what their view will be on pairs of 730s though, I think we will see a lot of solo 5s late in the day.
It forms from the 19:36 Birmingham New Street-London Euston, so I wouldn’t imagine it’ll go over to 730 operations. UDS can be done down to 4 from 12, it is done regularly on the weekend Trent Valley 12 car services.
Bletchleyite
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Thanks, I guess it means that policy has been changed. Good, I never thought it made any sense!
I did think "everything 8-car all the time from start to end of service to avoid the shunting" might be more the reason. Very little is 12 car now, they even prefer to run peak extras than run 12 car services in the morning and evening.
DarloRich
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First 730/2 public run this evening?
We do it all the time now with the 12 cars on the Trent work. I worked a 12 yesterday, no issue going down to 4 for RGL or Athersone so don't see why Bushey wouldn't allow it.
Well yes, but we're also comparing 12 cars to 10 with the 10 having more. So not comparing 5 to 4 as it's a triple 350.Thats great and all but the thing is with the 730s being “greener” Is, is this something that passengers are actually going to notice or benefit from though? It just feels like LNR needed another talking point for the sake of it.
Well I would hope 730/2s have more seats considering each carriage is longer and them also being 5 car instead of 4
I guess the next question is will the type os seats used in 730/2 actually result in a better quality journey for the regular commuter. Only time will tell
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Yes first 730/2 pair
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(ie 1W51 16:19 Euston-Northampton Monday 09/06/2025 expected to be
EDIT 13:40 09/06/2025.
Now reported as 730233 & 730213.
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Just asked a Senior Conductor who will work these units. This is there reply about 730/2s calling at Bushey on down Fast:-
Automatic selective door opening will be used.
So we just move to any GOP (guard operating panel) located between coach 1 and 4 release doors as normal and it automatically opens the correct ones.
As well as make the relevant announcements in rear coaches
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RTT now showing 730233 + 730213 for 1W51 this afternoon
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The 10 car train shown on RTT is in WMT livery.
Bletchleyite
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I noticed that this morning. I suspect it's just that Realtime Trains only has one picture for the 730s and it's the WMR colours - no doubt they will fix that soon. You can't do a 10 car out of /0s so it's not those.
Tom (swlines) said in the RTT Discord server that the graphics were done, so presumably it’ll be fixed at some point.
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Diagram was altered at late notice to run from Bletchley rather than Camden, and yes it would appear to be running, 730213 and 730233 according to Trust.
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1W51 appears to be 10 late leaving
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