Class 730 LNR & WMR Delivery/test Updates

[cambsy]

anyone Know the 730 Wolverhampton-Walsall diagram this Saturday 8th June?.

 

[D.K.TAYLOR]

730047 Coupled to 730008 Believe 047 first appearance in the West Midlands

 

[778]

Will there be any weekend Euston-Tring/MK services that will go over to 730s in the next few weeks? When the 5 car units are introduced, I hope they will run as 10 car units. A 5 car 730 has no more capacity than an 8 car 350/2, but at least there will be no more 4 car 350 services.

 

[Kite159]

Will there be any weekend Euston-Tring/MK services that will go over to 730s in the next few weeks? When the 5 car units are introduced, I hope they will run as 10 car units. A 5 car 730 has no more capacity than an 8 car 350/2, but at least there will be no more 4 car 350 services.

Isn't there now a Saturday 730 diagram on the Tring/MK services since the timetable changed?
Or am I simply misremembering something

 

[JonathanH]

Isn't there now a Saturday 730 diagram on the Tring/MK services since the timetable changed?
Or am I simply misremembering something

It was posted as being introduced from this Saturday.
https://www.railforums.co.uk/thread...very-test-updates.215134/page-65#post-6739791

Presumably needs to be out and back from Bletchley and work Tring / Milton Keynes cycles - a look at RTT seems there are two potential diagrams which do that.

 

[childwallblues]

Will there be any weekend Euston-Tring/MK services that will go over to 730s in the next few weeks? When the 5 car units are introduced, I hope they will run as 10 car units. A 5 car 730 has no more capacity than an 8 car 350/2, but at least there will be no more 4 car 350 services.

I would imagine that Class 730/2 introduction on Crewe-Euston and Birmingham-Liverpool will be more of a priority than ten cars on Euston-Tring.

 

[1D54]

And is there an expected date for the above?

 

[Class15]

I would imagine that Class 730/2 introduction on Crewe-Euston and Birmingham-Liverpool will be more of a priority than ten cars on Euston-Tring.

In the peak Euston-Tring gets very crowded.

 

[AndrewE]

Will there be any weekend Euston-Tring/MK services that will go over to 730s in the next few weeks? When the 5 car units are introduced, I hope they will run as 10 car units. A 5 car 730 has no more capacity than an 8 car 350/2, but at least there will be no more 4 car 350 services.

I would imagine that Class 730/2 introduction on Crewe-Euston and Birmingham-Liverpool will be more of a priority than ten cars on Euston-Tring.

I am sure I remember reading exactly this conversation a few months ago...

People in the SE need to remember that the Birmingham-Liverpools are almost all just 4-car trains (half-hourly) and are packed - and they ran well-loaded when they were hourly 8-cars too. More stock is desperately needed.

 

[Railperf]

Was a 730/2 was on a test run yesterday around 5pm heading north, south of Milton Keynes?

 

[Northerngirl]

I am sure I remember reading exactly this conversation a few months ago...

People in the SE need to remember that the Birmingham-Liverpools are almost all just 4-car trains (half-hourly) and are packed - and they ran well-loaded when they were hourly 8-cars too. More stock is desperately needed.

How does there seem to be a shortage of 350s on that service ive not seen a 8 car for months, didn't they gain a few from tpe

 

[AJDesiro]

How does there seem to be a shortage of 350s on that service ive not seen a 8 car for months, didn't they gain a few from tpe

They increased the frequency of the Liverpool services on weekdays during peak time, alongside all day on Saturdays. As a result, the previous 1tph 8 car service went down to 2tph 4 car, increasing the frequency, but keeping capacity the same. The 10 350s from TPE helped with the Chase Line electrification, alongside removing 323s from Walsall-Wolverhampton runs. Roughly 76/87 350s are needed in service each day, so there are few spare. Things will improve when 730 rollout is complete.

 

[BlythPower]

Today's West Midlands based 730s are:
Walsall - Wolves: 730012
Bromsgrove - Lichfield TV: 730011 + 730019 and 730008 + 730047
Redditch - Four Oaks: 730020 + 730015 and 730018 + 730046

 

[Chris172]

How many 730s can Soho hold once all the 323s are gone?

 

[Covshire1]

730213 was delivered on Fridays 5Q65 0808 Derby Litchurch Lane to Oxley Car. M.D.

 

[craig87034]

730016 & 013
2B02 0600 Bletchley-Euston today Saturday 8th June. I assume full diagram is the old Saturday 319 turn...

Going by RTT today's full diagram:
2B02 0600 Bletchley-euston
2T09 0724 Euston-Tring
2T10 0815 Tring-Euston
2K15 0909 Euston-Milton Keynes
2K16 1030 Milton Keynes-Euston
2T27 1154 Euston-Tring
2T28 1245 Tring-Euston
2K33 1339 Euston-Milton Keynes
2K34 1500 Milton Keynes-Euston
2T45 1624 Euston-Tring
2T46 1715 Tring-Euston
2K51 1809 Euston-Milton Keynes
5B51 1924 Milton Keynes-Bletchley CS

 

[childwallblues]

I am sure I remember reading exactly this conversation a few months ago...

People in the SE need to remember that the Birmingham-Liverpools are almost all just 4-car trains (half-hourly) and are packed - and they ran well-loaded when they were hourly 8-cars too. More stock is desperately needed.

Yes Birmingham to Liverpool is still only half hourly in peaks and hourly otherwise. Its stress points are Birmingham to Stafford and north of Crewe.

 

[Class15]

Yes Birmingham to Liverpool is still only half hourly in peaks and hourly otherwise. Its stress points are Birmingham to Stafford and north of Crewe.

4-car trains on the Euston lines are considerably worse however.

 

[1D54]

730010 & 002 have just turned up at Euston.

 

[JW4]

Saturday 8 June 2024
Seen on Cross-City
730047+730008 On 2U24 Redditch-Four Oaks
730011+730019 On 2O26 Lichfield Trent Valley-Bromsgrove

 

[Andy Pacer]

730010 & 002 have just turned up at Euston.

Any idea what they are working? I managed a ride on 730013/016 earlier (thanks to @craig87034 for the info in an earlier post).

 

[Peter Sarf]

I am sure I remember reading exactly this conversation a few months ago...

People in the SE need to remember that the Birmingham-Liverpools are almost all just 4-car trains (half-hourly) and are packed - and they ran well-loaded when they were hourly 8-cars too. More stock is desperately needed.

I think trains are getting too full all over the UK. I am seeing it off peak Croydon to/from Victoria !. Mainly down to the amount of stock withdrawn on Southern perhaps BUT I have a feeling that the problem with the 730s is more a lack of trained staff than lack of accepted units ?. In which case the sensible thing to do is make what does run as long as possible.

For Birmingham to/from Liverpool it would be nice if the 730s were run in pairs on every other service as soon as drivers are available leaving the alternate service as pairs of 350s. But I suppose it will actually be a single 730/2 (ie 5car) if those are the plan (I have lost track) because those are as long as 1.5 350s (6 coaches) !.

 

[1D54]

Any idea what they are working? I managed a ride on 730013/016 earlier (thanks to @craig87034 for the info in an earlier post).

Came into platform 8 ( out of service) stayed about 10 minutes and left.

 

[SCDR_WMR]

And is there an expected date for the above?

December. 1st 5 car unit training for managers/coaches at the end of the month

For Birmingham to/from Liverpool it would be nice if the 730s were run in pairs on every other service as soon as drivers are available leaving the alternate service as pairs of 350s. But I suppose it will actually be a single 730/2 (ie 5car) if those are the plan (I have lost track) because those are as long as 1.5 350s (6 coaches) !.

Correct. Double sets will be for Crewe-Euston services, essentially 12 car 350 in length/capacity. Single sets, likely mixed between 350 and 730 for the Birmingham-Liverpool.

 

[800001]

December. 1st 5 car unit training for managers/coaches at the end of the month


Correct. Double sets will be for Crewe-Euston services, essentially 12 car 350 in length/capacity. Single sets, likely mixed between 350 and 730 for the Birmingham-Liverpool.

Why December when 5 cars have been testing for many many months?

 

[45076]

Why December when 5 cars have been testing for many many months?

Testing not training.

 

[800001]

Testing not training.

Yes but what does it take so long for training when they have been training for may months???

 

[SCDR_WMR]

Yes but what does it take so long for training when they have been training for may months???

No 5 car units have officially been handed over to WMT for use yet. They may enter service sooner on STPs but I believe they are allowing for some teething troubles once train crew get hold of them.

 

[185143]

Any Sunday diagrams yet?

 

[Liam L]

Any Sunday diagrams yet?

I believe 2 diagrams on the cross city on Sundays. However unsure on the services.