Looks like things will definitely have to be moved around regarding stop boards or even magnets potentially… At some locations when the 810 stops at the 5 board it isn’t clearing the track circuit behind so it’s operating two block sections simultaneously… Hopefully that’s an easy fix.
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This has been discovered during the Station Validation checks which have been undertaken over the last few weeks, alongside the train the trainer training.
That is the purpose of the validation checks to iron out issues like this.
It will be a simple fix, they will stop the train in a different position where it does not cause issues with the magnets.
There is some pictures on this LinkedIn post I have attached below
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Have not posted for a while but thought the last couple of weeks deserved a post as it's a significant milestone in our project It has been an exciting couple of weeks across the MML with Aurora where we have been out and about undertaking Train the Trainer activities & working with Louise...www.linkedin.com
Validation checks cancelled for next week now too. That will be the fourth week cancelled where no progress has been made. I’m really struggling to see how these are going to be anywhere near in service this year. It’s mid to end of May, validation checks are now a month behind. No TM or driver training planned at all, and that’s before the inevitable teething problems along the way!
Trainman40083
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It will be fine. The 222s will go to Scotland on time, and the DfT will just blame EMR that they have no trains (and tell them they are not good enough to be nationalised).
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Is there a deadline that is written in stone for the 222s to head north, i suppose what I'm asking is what is the worst case scenario for EMR? Surely not a return to the 170s going to St Pancras!
The last I heard was that the 222’s WILL be gradually taken out of service and going to next operators whether the 810’s are cascading in or not. So they’re probably piling the pressure on EMR to put pressure on Hitachi - who knows… I believe the 7 cars are going first and if I’m not mistaken there’s one at Etches waiting to be handed back. However this happened a few weeks ago and then it got brought back in to service because 222013 failed…
50002Superb
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I must be the only one excited about the 170s potentially doing the London turns!!!
I believe that was 222005 which did end up back in service around the time 019 was stuck in the depot for a while. An inside source told me that 001-005 are going first but again that was a good few weeks ago it was mentioned so it could have changed again. I can definitely see the 7 cars leaving us and all 10 cars becoming 5...
QSK19
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Outside bet on the 810s being a decade old before they enter service? Surely not… 
Presumably if it goes on too long they’ll need to redo the “train the trainer” training, too!
QSK19
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Wow, so 222s definitely aren’t hanging around then! Interesting times ahead for EMR IC!
That’s interesting. These are the guys involved in their new west coast operation, presumably?
CTS1990
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Without straying off-topic too far, are the 222s definitely heading to Scotland to replace the HSTs? If so, I must have missed that!
Lots of insider industry talk, but have not seen anything public to confirm that this is occurring.
As far as I’m aware it’s still out to tender.
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There seems to be more talk of open access operators (OAO) taking them at the moment and considering it only appears that a "few" are planned to be withdrawn from EMR in September, that would fit better with an OAO taking these few on
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We've had this before, there may be a date for trains to change operator but that doesn't mean they physically move - they just get subleased back until they can be made available.
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But... That is something DfT can dictate if they are DfT-contracted operators. In this case it is open access and they are running an entirely separate business with no DfT involvement. Furthermore, with all the owning groups losing their contracts as they are nationalised, there will be even less inclination to support DfT operators by sub-leasing trains back.
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The likely reputational damage all but guarantees a common sense arrangement will be found, there's plenty of time to sort one out thankfully.
Bletchleyite
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Great news. Any news on when the first one might be expected in service?
No, nothing a the moment.
It has all gone extremely quite with testing of units, I believe units have not moved from Old Dalby now for several weeks.
I’ve also not heard anything about driver training.
Other than the trainees getting trained the other week, silence.
Correct - not a thing has been done for 4 weeks now. Hitachi at this point could actually get away with murder. Zero accountability or repercussions for them.
In more positive news Network Rail are flying along with the electrification upgrade. So much so I’ve heard that some of the power changeover boards will have been removed by the time the 810’s are running so they’ll be on electric longer much earlier than expected.
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Been confirmed that next week is cancelled too so make that 5 weeks.
In more positive news Network Rail are flying along with the electrification upgrade. So much so I’ve heard that some of the power changeover boards will have been removed by the time the 810’s are running so they’ll be on electric longer much earlier than expected.
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Been confirmed that next week is cancelled too so make that 5 weeks.
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QSK19
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At this rate, the engines may have been removed before they enter service seeing as the MML will have been fully electrified
In all seriousness, I think this is only the tip of the iceberg. The lack of progress isn’t a good omen and I just fear that the problems will keep on coming once they’ve entered service.
CTS1990
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…and those of us in South Yorkshire and the East Midlands continue to endure the 222s. I wouldn’t mind the heavy delay (from an enthusiast perspective) if we still had HSTs.
In all seriousness though, this delay is appalling. When was the first steel cut for the 810s? 2019/2020?
In all seriousness though, this delay is appalling. When was the first steel cut for the 810s? 2019/2020?
QSK19
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As much as Wikipedia is sometimes an unreliable source, manufacturing started in 2021. Nevertheless, the trains could well be 5 years old when they enter service. Disgraceful IMO.
Attached is a post from 8X group on Facebook showing first car of 810001 undergoing some tests outside factory in August 2022. This was first time a picture of the unit appeared on the group from what I can see.
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Feels like an absolute age ago!