Pit_buzzer
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It looks very tram like, definitely not a good look for a super duper new high speed train
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Class 810 for East Midlands Railway Construction/Introduction Updates
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What city have you been in with trams that look like that? I'll need to take a trip there immediately!
I disagree that it looks anything like a tram, they're much flatter on the front and have a far bigger windscreen. It has sharper corners and not as pronounced rake than the other 80X family trains which makes it look a bit like a cheaper version of it, but it still looks very much like an express train.
Pit_buzzer
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Nope, just focusing on the front, still looks like a tram to me
STINT47
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You will have to forgive my ignorance but as an outsider to the railway how can it take a year?
If the train is already running on the route that it will end up working then after a few more test runs why can it not run in place of one of their existing trains? Granted this won't be tomorrow but a year seems excessive.
It won’t be just ‘a few’ more test runs.
This was its first run in that route, it is 80% a new train compared to all other previous 8Xx models.
It has to under go full testing as it is a brand new train.
Say minimum of 6 months for that, that is before they had a train over to EMR, who then have to train all there drivers, guards, depot staff, station teams etc.
I can't understand why the EMR sets will have one and a half vehicles fitted out as First Class.
If one First Class coach is sufficient for the 805 Everos on AWC, why isn't one First Class coach sufficient for EMR?
If one First Class coach is sufficient for the 805 Everos on AWC, why isn't one First Class coach sufficient for EMR?
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tram21
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Surprisingly, very much like the Dubai tram!
I certainly don't think the 810s look like a tram though, they're very smart!
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The more testing to get the product working correctly - the better. I don't mind waiting two years so long as the trains can enter service with fully trained staff and be reliable.
Avanti's Class 805 introduction proves more testing and staff training were needed - probably another 6 months worth minimum.
Avanti had 1 first class coach on the 221s before. The 222s have up to 3 coaches. The last two Sundays on the services I used First Class has been reasonably loaded.
Looks like it is out again today.
poffle
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810s are replacing 222s on East Midlands.
The 222s have 50 First Class/192 Standard
The 810s have 47 First Class/254 Standard
805s are replacing 221s on Avanti West Coast
AWC 221s have 26 First Class/230 Standard
AWC 805s have 25 First Class/274 Standard
Each operator are deploying new trains to replace existing trains and are keeping roughly the same number of First seats and significantly increasing the number of Standard seats.
Presumably the operators do not to significantly reduce the existing number of First Class seats. It would particular problems during a transition, but would also be likely to lead to hostility from a small but influential group of customers if they were priced out of First Class on the new trains.
Narrowgauge725
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Because they make more out of First Class than standard and whoever predicted future numbers persuaded the team responsible the number of First Class seats they will sell.
Killingworth
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And first class seats can be discounted - Seatfrog etc.
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Looks like todays test run, ran in an earlier path behind a Nottingham service and turning east at Syston towards old Dalby. Hard to assess timings as it followed closely behind the Nottingham service which called at Kettering and Market Harborough, so it would have been seeing caution signals virtually all the way to Leicester.
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Is it known whether the overnight test runs to Luton are also operated with 810004? (not sure where 810001 is, but thought that it returned to Old Dalby on 12th July).
With thanks. David
With thanks. David
810001 is also at Old Dalby.
QSK19
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We have another sighting of an 810 with pan up. The Class 8xx appreciation group on Facebook has posted this one seemingly running in electric mode on the Old Dalby test track.
The group states that this unit is 810005. Has it actually left Newton Aycliffe? Or does the group actually mean 001?
The group states that this unit is 810005. Has it actually left Newton Aycliffe? Or does the group actually mean 001?
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eastwestdivide
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810004 again on today’s run to Sheffield, seen passing Dore southbound at a similar speed to everything else, and a bit less noisy than a 222 I thought.
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Is the 15:17 St Pancras - Old Dalby (5Q45) 810004?
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I don’t normally care for the external design of 21st century rolling stock; but this class - especially in that livery - looks sublime.
Mind you, with the coupler-cover open, the end profile rather resembles a vacuum cleaner attachment.
Yes it is
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Great stuff, I'll get it at Leicester. Thank you.
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I believe the photo shown is on the length of test track at Newton Aycliffe and not Old Dalby.
The photo is Hitachi’s test track, Newton Aycliffe, and the number 810005 is clearly visible in the other picture on Facebook.
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I also happen to think they look very good - I actually think the more contrasty yellow front livery did them favours in that regard too.I don’t normally care for the external design of 21st century rolling stock; but this class - especially in that livery - looks sublime.
Mind you, with the coupler-cover open, the end profile rather resembles a vacuum cleaner attachment.
QSK19
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Noted regarding the test track location. Also, couldn’t make out the 005 because I’m currently away from home in an area of poor connectivity and the picture wouldn’t load fully!
When looking at the train head on, I think the lights look a little like a puppy dog that’s sad; but I agree that the overall appearance looks super - the colours work well with the shape of the train. And as for the shape, as others have said, it’s nice to see a difference between that and the 80x - the 810 reminds me a little of the 395.I don’t normally care for the external design of 21st century rolling stock; but this class - especially in that livery - looks sublime.
Mind you, with the coupler-cover open, the end profile rather resembles a vacuum cleaner attachment.
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eastwestdivide
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More pics, these from Dore yesterday (25/7/24).
Approaching a red from the Chesterfield direction:
Waiting for the red to clear:
Rear of train heading to Sheffield:
And coming back south, with a Hope Valley 195 in the platform:
All very shiny. Seats were in, and there were odd bits of hanging wiring and laptops checking things out. Also, on the underframe area it had lots of temporary bits of tape with abbreviations handwritten on, presumably denoting which hatch for which bit of equipment until they get some proper transfers/stickers made?
Approaching a red from the Chesterfield direction:
Waiting for the red to clear:
Rear of train heading to Sheffield:
And coming back south, with a Hope Valley 195 in the platform:
All very shiny. Seats were in, and there were odd bits of hanging wiring and laptops checking things out. Also, on the underframe area it had lots of temporary bits of tape with abbreviations handwritten on, presumably denoting which hatch for which bit of equipment until they get some proper transfers/stickers made?
Something I’ve noticed is that the headlamps have a colour more similar to older style incandescent bulbs, rather than the bright white LEDs on other modern stock.
Hopefully these are the final versions and, assuming they are, it’s good that some thought has been put into providing less dazzling headlamps.
Hopefully these are the final versions and, assuming they are, it’s good that some thought has been put into providing less dazzling headlamps.
Dazzle has little to do with colour or colour temperature. It's quite possible to be dazzled by a saturated colour - not just white - anyone who's ever had to drive past a LED advertising screen when it's not adjusted to it being night time will testify to that.
londonmidland
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I’m sure these still have the same intensity light as other Class 80x and modern rolling stock. They still utilise LED lighting for headlights, it’s just that they’re warm white as opposed to daylight white.