Another slipped date.
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Class 810 for East Midlands Railway Construction/Introduction Updates
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Indeed. 10 car testing is meant to start “soon”, albeit not sure if an actual date is known to anybody just yet.
And that should have been completed in January……..
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May 2025? May 2026? Assume May 2024 is a typo?!!
Discuss223
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11 months too late....
April fools day was last week
The best answer to this is probably not. It’s likely that RDW will be sorted as part of the wider pay deal including training agreement for the 810s (negotiations are ongoing) so, at least in theory, it should be resolved well before any training commences.
But never say never!
December 2025 was being discussed internally for initial introduction (ie first units in traffic, not the whole fleet), but of course that may well slip.
dk1
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I doubt anything like that will happen.
2025 I meant!! Duly amended
Discuss223
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That's highly unlikely given that driver training has not yet started, nor platform staff and onboard crew training.2025 I meant!! Duly amended
Atleast one of the sets has no interior fittings.
They have not been tested in multiple yet either.
Not a chance for that date.2025 I meant!! Duly amended
Testing is still on going.
EMR still have not had a unit handed over to them.
No staff at all have even started any training.
We've all been told many dates for many things over the years - one thing you learn from experience is to believe you're on a training course once you're sat in the class room, and to believe the train is entering traffic when you see it with real passengers on
Wyrleybart
Established Member
Haha. That is very true, but how can this be linked to the 90 class 701s, of which only five seem to have been able to carry pax since about last October !!We've all been told many dates for many things over the years - one thing you learn from experience is to believe you're on a training course once you're sat in the class room, and to believe the train is entering traffic when you see it with real passengers on
What have Hitachi offered as a credible excuse for late delivery ?
Absolutely, I agree. With how optimistic they've been up to now I knew their aspiration to have the first one in service this year is nigh on impossibleWe've all been told many dates for many things over the years - one thing you learn from experience is to believe you're on a training course once you're sat in the class room, and to believe the train is entering traffic when you see it with real passengers on
Which will be first:-Absolutely, I agree. With how optimistic they've been up to now I knew their aspiration to have the first one in service this year is nigh on impossible
HS2 operational
All 701s in service
First 810 into passenger use
QSK19
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At this rate, I actually couldn’t commit 100% to any of those answers! Even several weeks ago, I’d have said 810s without hesitation; however, whilst that is probably the most likely one, I wouldn’t stake money on it.
Overall though, this is a disgrace. The order was placed 6 years ago and the build started 4 years ago. Up to now, only 001 and 004 have done any significant mileage (believe 003 has been on the network once or twice?). A very sorry state of affairs indeed and wouldn’t be surprised if we see another tranche of penalty money appear in Rock Rail East Midlands Plc’s next full accounts.
The last few posts from those who have more knowledge of the introduction make for disappointing reading and the light at the end of the tunnel is very, very far away.
(PS: how ironic that this is my 810th post!
)I think this has been resolved, drivers will open, TM’s will close and drivers monitor screens whilst departing. 7 cars should be the first to leave. However Lumo / First will be running 222’s from Euston to Stirling.
There will certainly be screens - not sure there will be any expectation for drivers to monitor them. In fact I could see that being resisted as it might confer some liability on the driver if something goes wrong, and there’s no operational benefit, so it’s a little hard to see why the company would push for it. I would expect current dispatch arrangements to continue (guard close everywhere, RA at St Pancras, two on the bell everywhere else).
Driver open guard close is already agreed - dating back to the when the 170s plied the route - and is in effect what happens on the 222s where, when in passenger service, drivers select the number of doors to open and authorise the TM to release.
Bletchleyite
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It has a small safety benefit. I've seen a potentially serious safety incident involving a drunk passenger on Merseyrail which could have resulted in a death had the driver not seen it in the monitors as they departed and stopped. This won't happen every day but a quick glance in them could avert the odd incident, so if they're there... after all a lot of Northern drivers on older stock with droplights look back as they take power just as another check.
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Kneedown
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More recently, full Driver open/Guard close was in effect on the 180s for the short time we had them. I'm led to believe the the SDO selection will be automatic, presumably with the associated "as long as", and "unless's", so not sure if that would affect the current agreement?
SDO will know where the train is and what platform - just up to the driver to confirm it’s correct before releasing. Also, it does NOT take in to account a stop short so there’s still the risk of opening doors that aren’t platformed. It’s smart in other ways though, for example Long Eaton will be 4.5 not 4 as it’s able to select door sets instead of full coaches.
Archie810
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will they ever consider just extending the platform a few meters?
DarloRich
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What are the issues with the 810's?
Owned & managed by NR. Operated by GBRF. Serco owned the facility in the past.
Glad to hear this. I've heard if the 222 7 cars do leave in September to head for other operators to start driver training that the same person who said about the 810 door dispute was saying double 170s going back on Nottingham to st pancras jobs. I didn't believe that
That was me! I think that’s died down now with the 170’s but I assure you, plans were being made…
Kneedown
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"SDO 4.5" signs! That would be something to see.
Strange thing is, the 180s were SDO 5 at Long Eaton due to the end doors being Crew only.