It would be 35 minutes direct (currently 40 minutes with 5 minute change at Shipley), so a little faster.
I think the cross Bradford traffic would be a little bigger than Ilkley-Keighley. Well put it this way, there's plenty of traffic doing it each day.
In the interest of transparency: I worked at WYCA last year and drafted some of the statements that appeared in the media. If you remember the IRP event with Oliver Coppard that appeared on Look North, I was there for that (hiding behind the cameraman). Brabin is a train user to and from Leeds via TPE (when they run), and she/we/they do raise TPE's dire performance at appropriate moments. I'd also expect to see something about Northern canning the Huddersfield-Castleford service again soon.
Unless my ticket is valid on the interconnecting transit, I'll still be walking. Just like Manchester.
Fair point. I don't think the thinking on fares has got that far!
It's a shame that Manchester (and Bradford in the event of a future mass transit system) can't have a "Maltese cross" type setup like you get for cross-London journeys via LU.
From an overall public transport point of view (I deleted "integrated"!) Keighley-Ilkley serves the significant communities of Silsden and Addingham, and the relatively small demand "over the top" between those two provides a useful facility at marginal cost.
I live in Halifax. To me anything that speeds up Leeds- Halifax, Bradford- Halifax- Manchester, Leeds- Calder Valley stations and Huddersfield- Calder Valley stations connectivity is welcome
So filling the gap across Central Bradford wouldn’t help you at all then?
The benefits of a mass-transit system for those places that aren't on the existing railway network would be desirable for sure- and if said system included a line in central Bradford then it would be very silly not to include stops at both railway stations...
Not my Bailiwick now, sorry! I'd imagine Bradford Council used to do those destination surveys where they stopped traffic and asked where you were going (got caught up in one of those in Leeds once). It wouldn't be a CA thing to do.
If I've got a ticket from Bingley to Halifax, why should I pay an extra pound just to make my connection?
Even when the (free) city bus ran in that direction it was far quicker to walk anyway, as the bus did a tour round the university between BDQ and BDI.
Well there's the problem. A city bus, not a dedicated shuttle.
On your last point, I reckon many are routinely inconvenienced by how many journeys are quickest via London and the resulting transfers between terminals. A frequent complaint about HS2 is that it ends at Euston and not Kings Cross/St Pancras and so one will have to walk between the two to transfer to Eurostar.
Depends where the traffic's going of course. How much of it is to/from Halifax and Calder Valley? Those are the only rail destinations south of Bradford which benefit from a crossrail link. Everything else would still be quicker via Leeds.
This is the problem as I see it. The bright lights of Airedale and Wharfedale are just not enticing enough for the good burghers of Halifax. We try our best, but it's just not good enough. Don't want a through train for tea at Bettys? Visit the birthplace of Sooty? Take a saunter through Saltaire? Skipton Castle not good enough for ya? Ilkley's got a lido for crying out loud! What more do you guys need?
Whereas there's Piece Hall in Halifax. I've always said so...
You forgot Haworth, the prime tourist destination in the area. Change at Keighley of course )
Or the 502 from Halifax
This is the billion dollar question, just where is all the traffic going? All I can be truly sure of is that the traffic flowing north-south through Shipley & Bradford isn't going to Leeds, but they still go especially in rush hours. I do know that the are very regular traffic counts in this road corridor, but numbers alone won't reveal just where the traffic is going. That's going to need a much more detailed study. Perhaps if a West Yorkshire tram network ever gets beyond aspirational status, more studies can be conducted to figure out where it might best serve places like Bradford (if indeed at all). But this is all a very, very long way off.
So before the contest to find as many routes that might be quicker by bus gets too heated, allow me to reiterate my point here, as members often get carried away. I do not expect there ever to be a heavy rail link across Bradford, be it conventional or high speed. Maybe one day a tram network might find it's way across, but that's as much as the city can expect. I hope that makes my position clear.
The reversing is very much cemented I'm afraid!
If they are going towards the M1, not all will be.
We can make a pretty educated guess based on google journey planner and the size of settlements. Excluding short journeys within Bradford itself, destinations will be:
And all the businesses and industry between all these...
They can and do work out traffic movements on this kind of scale using aggregated mobile phone data, that would give a good indication of where demand is. I suspect they will do that kind of modelling should any Yorks metro scheme start being seriously considered.
