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Me too, nothing that some T-Cut and elbow grease won't sort.I am impressed that you can make conclusive engineering judgements from one photo alone.
Me too, nothing that some T-Cut and elbow grease won't sort.I am impressed that you can make conclusive engineering judgements from one photo alone.
It is, -ish… but it’s a fecal matter in, fecal matter out arrangement for unit allocations.Thanks to those who posted answers to my question about RTT set allocations - I'd got the impression from something I'd read that it was taken from a "live" database and therefore I'd assumed it to be accurate
The accident was east of Salisbury, so there is no reason trains can't still run to Westbury and Yeovil. If buses are needed, it willbe towards Andover/Basingstoke and Romsey/SouthamptonI imagined that a Salisbury to WEstbury shuttle could solve a lot of forward travel requirements (to give one example). Similarly a Yeovil Jcn to Pen Mill one.
This typical sensationalism from the Daily Fail.
Two trains collide in accident near Salisbury
A senior Network Rail engineer has exclusively told MailOnline that GWR passengers were left as sitting ducks on a partly derailed train for seven minutes before being hit by another intercity train.www.dailymail.co.uk
"High speed train ploughs into a locomotive" FFS
Don't even link to them - they get revenue from the clicks they get.
JourneyCheck lists GWR are running between Romsey and Portsmouth Harbour calling additionally at Redbridge and Millbrook. SWR are stopping their Southampton to Waterloo trains at Swaythling and Basingstoke.The stations served by GWR South of Salisbury have provision from other operators, so I guess there will be no GWR services here. Is there any provision to get any GWR units back to their home depot?
The BBC were quoting a Network Rail spokesperson as saying the signalling had been knocked out. I'm sure I saw it on one of the Network Rail tweets too, but can't find it now. Bit unfair to criticise the press for saying that when that's what they're being told.The press were very quick to report that the first train had hit something which "knocked out all the signalling in the area". It may be true that some signals had been affected but I don't think that statements of that kind give the travelling public much confidence in the signalling system. As a retired BR signalman and now on a heritage railway most of the public I meet haven't got the faintest idea about signalling as it is, without speculation of that kind
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-59114569 said:A Network Rail spokesperson said: "At around 19:00 GMT this evening, the rear carriage of the 17:08 Great Western Railway service from Portsmouth Harbour to Bristol Temple Meads derailed after striking an object on its approach to Salisbury station.
"The derailment knocked out all of the signalling in the area.
I have read the article and it is very concerning that someone who is reported as a Senior Network Rail Engineer has been reported as saying a collision could not have been avoided by the signalling system if the SWR train had been closer. This is clearly not true and potentially raises passenger concern about safety on the railways that are not true. I am appalled at this reporting as it wil be given credibility that it does not deserve.Don't even link to them - they get revenue from the clicks they get.
I think Wimbledon can carry out light maintenance on 159’s. I’ve often seen one there when I go past sometimes.Now that we've had the good news that no one thankfully was seriously hurt, I have some questions about service recovery. Obviously RAIB will take as long as they need at the site, then Network Rail will need to make extensive repairs. This will take some time.
Is there anywhere on SWR's network that can service 159s apart from Salisbury depot? There will be some units "trapped" at the London end, and I presume a few will be needed for a Basingstoke to Andover shuttle.
Does the infrastructure allow for the "Salisbury 6" services to be turned at Dean?
The stations served by GWR South of Salisbury have provision from other operators, so I guess there will be no GWR services here. Is there any provision to get any GWR units back to their home depot?
Don't even link to them - they get revenue from the clicks they get.
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Does the infrastructure allow for the "Salisbury 6" services to be turned at Dean?
Unsavoury rag that they are, this graphic from their story does quite succinctly tell me a lot about what's happened and how the local scene is laid out. Is there anything wrong with the facts presented in this? I haven't seen any of the other news media or this thread present it quite as clearly or at-a-glance as this in terms of how the tracks involved are arranged, how the tunnel is involved, and where the two trains involved were headed.
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The Daily Fail has by far the most pictures and details of the incident as it always does on such incidents. You just have to look elsewhere for the truth!Unsavoury rag that they are, this graphic from their story does quite succinctly tell me a lot about what's happened and how the local scene is laid out. Is there anything wrong with the facts presented in this? I haven't seen any of the other news media or this thread present it quite as clearly or at-a-glance as this in terms of how the tracks involved are arranged, how the tunnel is involved, and where the two trains involved were headed, and how they'd both arrived there on different routes, i.e. not truly following each other.
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mind you, just noticed it says "derailed trail" on the top right text box
Between Clapham Yard and Wimbledon they can probably manage for a few days. Fratton can also service them, which is probably a better location for the Romsey circular units to run empty to/from than London.Is there anywhere on SWR's network that can service 159s apart from Salisbury depot? There will be some units "trapped" at the London end, and I presume a few will be needed for a Basingstoke to Andover shuttle.
Between Clapham Yard and Wimbledon they can probably manage for a few days. Fratton can also service them, which is probably a better location for the Romsey circular units to run empty to/from than London.
One thing to consider from this is I hope it puts a stop to the crazy ideas of powering trains with high pressure Hydrogen, a highly explosive gas that floats upwards & because of its tiny molecules penetrates & leaks everywhere.
There were reports of brief flames on the damaged trains. They wouldn’t have been brief if hydrogen had been involved, trapped in a tunnel.
If one thing can be learnt from this sad disaster it is that Fisherton must put an end to the daft idea of allowing hydrogen trains on any route with a tunnel.
This picture does indeed clarify the location and attitude of both trains. As a slight aside BBC South TV News throughout this morning are stating that the SWR train was travelling from Portsmouth. I have tweeted that they should check their own National News source!The BBC were quoting a Network Rail spokesperson as saying the signalling had been knocked out. I'm sure I saw it on one of the Network Rail tweets too, but can't find it now. Bit unfair to criticise the press for saying that when that's what they're being told.
Also BBC with a much clearer photo this morning of how the two trains have ended up where they have.
Salisbury train crash: Driver suffers 'life-changing injuries'
Passengers describe being thrown from their seats when two trains collided in Salisbury, Wiltshire.www.bbc.co.uk
The AWS will sound a horn (warning) regardless of whether there is power or not. It's just a big magnet.
Can’t be informative if it’s also largely incorrect.At the risk of attracting heavy criticism I found the Mail coverage the best so far.
Lots of informative photos (some of which have since been lifted by the BBC). Some obviously wrong information. “Locomotive” instead of unit, but that probably came from emergency services press office.
One thing to consider from this is I hope it puts a stop to the crazy ideas of powering trains with high pressure Hydrogen, a highly explosive gas that floats upwards & because of its tiny molecules, the smallest in nature, penetrates & leaks everywhere.
There were reports of brief flames on the damaged trains.
They wouldn’t have been brief if hydrogen had been involved, the gas being trapped in a tunnel.
If one thing can be learnt from this sad disaster it is that Fisherton must put an end to the daft idea of allowing hydrogen trains on any route with a tunnel.
For the record, SY31 is a 3 aspect signal. Interesting to read the above though as they are AWS protected on the routes that I signif the failed signal was not a distant signal, ie able to show a yellow aspect, then it would not have AWS. A Red/green only signal is not generally protected with AWS.