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Confirmed running during the Easter strike

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ungreat

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'Should' be striking?

Yeah..if they are in the union,they should be.Sorry,but if you join one,you should abide by its rulings.End of.You get no heroics by being a scab,and passengers WILL NOT remember you AT ALL for running their little cozy train home..you are forgotten the same day,by both passengers and management and branded a scab all your life by the people you have to face everyday,i.e,your workmates.

I don't know what you do for a living,but consider this..if your workmates were all peed off over something which affected all of you,and you decided to go against them,then they won the case which benefitted everyone,including you,and you got the same enhancements,wouldnt you expect your workmates to be peed off with you?

I know I would

Thats a scab
 
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Yeah..if they are in the union,they should be.Sorry,but if you join one,you should abide by its rulings.End of.You get no heroics by being a scab,and passengers WILL NOT remember you AT ALL for running their little cozy train home..you are forgotten the same day,by both passengers and management and branded a scab all your life by the people you have to face everyday,i.e,your workmates.

I don't know what you do for a living,but consider this..if your workmates were all peed off over something which affected all of you,and you decided to go against them,then they won the case which benefitted everyone,including you,and you got the same enhancements,wouldnt you expect your workmates to be peed off with you?

I know I would

Thats a scab

Somebody needs to chill out.
 

ungreat

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And somebody needs to stop posting stuff that warrants this response..I notice no anti union/daily mail/sun/any ****ing tabloid/dont understand the situation/oh i believe what i read/its in the paper,it must be right et frigging c rhetoric now the facts have been pointed out to you....

23 years I've done,and im sick to death of you armchair knowalls who know sweet FA about industrial relations on the railways..please,don't comment unless you have a valid point to make.And"I don't think they should strike" without a good reason for both workforce and passengers isn't one.It's your opinion,nothing more,and should be stated as so.

Sorry for ranting,but I am so sick of the same crud all of the time
 
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ukrob

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And somebody needs to stop posting stuff that warrants this response

I questioned someone's use of a word who suggested everyone 'should' be striking, union or not.

You made an issue of it.
 

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No,you stated your opinion of it..i.e,shouldn't be.If they are in the union,why shouldn't they be striking?
 

ukrob

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No,you stated your opinion of it..i.e,shouldn't be.If they are in the union,why shouldn't they be striking?

Read back. I did no such thing. You have interpreted it wrong.

I have not stated my opinion either way in any of the threads about strikes. Nor do you know who I work for, what unions I am a member of (if any) nor if I am active within them (if any). You are making a hell of a lot of assumptions.
 

ungreat

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You said"should" be striking..implying that they should not according to popular opinion

I never mentioned what or who union/workplace you are in..dear dear,read things..dont imply things..and yes,you HAVE implied defying union rules,by saying "should be striking?" as a response,implying that RMT members should disobey union decisions
 

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Whatever. Move on.

I have clarified what I meant. Tough luck if you don't believe me. It is too late for this.
 

ungreat

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Yep.expected that..no response,as per usual when faced with the facts..Next time,research your vitriol,before posting it.
 

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As Eurostar is running I would guess Southeastern will at least be running an Ashford/St Pancras shuttle.
NR Signallers do control HS1 so it will be affected.
Hang on...I'm no railway engineer, but isn't HS1 an LGV with automated TVM400 signalling fitted? :?:

If so - And given my guess/assumption that 373s and 395s both have the SNCF TVM system - Then wouldn't the line be running under computer control as it normally does, with one signaller overseeing the whole system and looking out for faults? From what little I know of HS1 thus far, it should be possible for the whole line between Stratford and Folkestone (Ashford excepted, which would need to be controlled locally) to be operated safely by one person on their own - Even during a strike. :)
 

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All lines are "supervised" by a signaller even if the actual operation is fully automated.
That's pretty much what I was trying to get at, but what I was also saying was:

Because HS1 uses automated TVM400, operations along the entire line (Bar the Ashford Intl section) could safely be supervised by just a single signaller/manager from the NR control centre.
As one signaller required for 400+ miles of road is extremely efficient in operational terms, and HS1 carries scheduled internationals, I'd imagine that HS1 would get the first pick of any signalling staff who are available during the strike action...Meaning that Eurostar and SEHS workings would (In theory) not be affected.
8)

Of course: This assumes that safety standards allow an automated system like TVM to assume responsibility for general operation, and that a single person overseeing the whole operation and keeping a proactive eye out for faults is considered adequete. :)
 

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That all seems reasonable, we have it on "normal" lines with ARS which is fully automatic when all is well, and a pain in the ARSe when it isnt ;)

Just out of interest, what percentage of lines (approximately!) have automatic signalling? Obviously the likes of the Merseyrail and SWT networks, but how about, for example, the WCML/ECML/MML?
 

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Most plain line, IE no junctions is auto signalled, but Automatic Route setting is pre-programmed with the train running information and sets the routes accordingly. The signaller just keeps an eye on it, in principle, and makes manual inputs for late running, platform alterations etc.
The theory is good but a lot of the time it doesn't work well.

Not much is auto signalled in the grand scheme of things.
 

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C2c, EMT, Eurostar, NXEA and SWT have announved their plans, as seen on http://nationalrail.co.uk/dispute .

I expect only the more customer proactive companies remaining will make any announcements before Monday now. (So not Arriva Wales, imho)

29 TOCS, Open access companies and London Underground listed on the National Rail Website. 5 have put some information up over the weekend. While the TOCs may have various contigency timetables drawn up they can do nothing till Network Rail advise what paths are available. I am sure you would prefer a TOC to publish something and then be forced to change it so you can have another dig at them. As you have singled them out for special treatment the ATW website has stated on the front page all weekend the time it intends to publish detailed information. Other TOCs, including those who can do no wrong according to some members of this forum require a bit of searching to find out that services may be disrupted with no indication of when the information may be available. Writing a timetable with Network Rail zone boundaries crossed and the conflicts between different operators' services cannot be done overnight.

That said the original poster intended this thread to be to list what is running on the strike days as a another thread was dealing with the debate about the strike issues. Looks like another thread needs to be started for useful information.
 

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Just out of interest, what percentage of lines (approximately!) have automatic signalling? Obviously the likes of the Merseyrail and SWT networks, but how about, for example, the WCML/ECML/MML?

Well all ARS is an aid, it's not perfect. What signallers are there for is to oversee the safe operation, grant engineering possessions, supervise level crossings, produce and update train running information, deal with out of course working, and deal with weather related events, bridge bashes, system failures and so on. The information of platform changes and when you get stopped in the middle of nowhere and the guard/driver comes on the PA, usually comes from signallers.

As its been pointed out on plain running lines signalling is automatic anyway, but you still need to supervise level crossings, engineering work and so on. Clearly signals is a fraction of the real job. You are never going to have a system that is entirely automatic. Even the DLR have signallers overseeing the automatically driven trains and signalling.

ARS is in operation on HS1, Ashford signalling area (SE kent and SE London), Three bridges area (East Croydon-Brighton), GEML Liverpool street to Marks Tay and branches, and to Bishops Stortford, Marylebone to near Banbury, Paddington-Heathrow, Didcot area, large parts of Mersey rail, ECML from North of Doncaster - Morpeth and Leeds area, Glasgow suburban area, Edinburgh signalling (Berwick-Cupar and connections), around parts of the East and West midlands, Parts of South Wales.

BTW, I agree with ungreat, if people join a union they should follow the union mandates. Not all signallers are RMT, a lot are TSSA and theres quite a few non-union.
 
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Just received the following e-mail from East Midlands Trains....

IMPORTANT INFORMATION

We thought you'd like to know how East Midlands Trains are affected by the planned Network Rail strike on 6-9 April.

The good news is that we expect to run a full service for journeys to and from London.

So, you can look forward to your trip without worrying about disruption.

However, as some local services will be affected, we will publish a revised timetable on our website as soon as possible.

For further information visit eastmidlandstrains.co.uk/strike

East Midlands Trains



Good news if, like me, you are travelling to London and back during the strike.:D
 

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I'm not overly surprised about EMT being able to run a service on MML as BR managed to do that in the 1994 signallers strike
 

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Quite a few services ran in 1994, I managed to get from South Wales to Edinburgh on a very empty train! Presumably most people chose not to travel - I checked in advance, they said the trains would run and they did!
 

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29 TOCS, Open access companies and London Underground listed on the National Rail Website. 5 have put some information up over the weekend. While the TOCs may have various contigency timetables drawn up they can do nothing till Network Rail advise what paths are available. I am sure you would prefer a TOC to publish something and then be forced to change it so you can have another dig at them. As you have singled them out for special treatment the ATW website has stated on the front page all weekend the time it intends to publish detailed information.

It seems I spoke rather ineloquently. I didn't expect many TOCs (that hadn't already published their plans) to meet, confirm, and publish over the weekend. Here's Monday, and more TOCs have drawn up tentative plans.

Yes, I did have a bit of a jibe at ATW's sake. Their website seems quite static (the Welsh timetable pages were once eighteen months out of date) so I mentioned them as an example. Their at-station posters are, in contrast, very good (but posters wouldn't appear over the weekend).
 

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I'm not overly surprised about EMT being able to run a service on MML as BR managed to do that in the 1994 signallers strike

Some areas are not as fond of unions as others: The MML, the GWML, the Chiltern line and parts of the southern spring to mind. I think its reasonably predictable as to which parts are more militant.

Any lines with lots of mechanical signalling are unlikely to remain open, because it's relatively labour intensive and more difficult to find cover for the whole lot. IE there is no point in having just one box open, you need to have the whole line, although same boxes can be switched out.

It's all out of the TOCs hands though. NR managers will be busy trying to find out who is in which union, or non union, what they 'sign', what certain supervisors and managers sign and then working out what they can keep open and then informing the TOCs.
 

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ATW have now added their service plans during the strike action- not looking good at all. Nothing at all to/around North Wales or Chester.

1 train per hour between Swansea - Cardiff - Newport - Severn Tunnel Junction from approximately 0700 until 1900, calling at all stations.
2 trains per hour between Treherbert - Cardiff Central - Barry Island between 0700 and 1900.
3 trains per hour between Pontypridd and Cardiff Central from 0700 to 0900, and also Cardiff Central to Pontypridd from 1700 to1900.
3 trains per hour between Ystrad Mynach - Cardiff Central - Penarth from 07:00 to 09:00 & 17:00 to 19:00, and 2 trains per hour from 0900 to 1700.
A normal service will run between Cardiff Queen Street and Cardiff Bay between 0730 and 1830. Customers can also use rail tickets valid to Cardiff Central, Cardiff Queen Street and Cardiff Bay on the Baycar bus service.

On routes not mentioned above, Arriva Trains Wales will be unable to provide any services on these affected dates.

Island Line:

Normal Service
 

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Its all well and good running these trains (if they actually do run that is), but with the 1000's of maintainance staff that will be out on strike on ths same days, as soon as the faults start building up there will be chaos!
 

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Northern Rail

A reduced service will run on the following routes only:

* Bradford Forster Square - Ilkley
* Bradford Forster Square - Skipton
* Bradford Forster Square - Leeds
* Leeds - Ilkley
* Leeds - Skipton
* Leeds - York
* Leeds - Doncaster
* Leeds - Huddersfield
* Huddersfield - Marsden
* Sheffield - Doncaster via Rotherham
* Sheffield - Nottingham
* Newcastle - Morpeth
* Manchester Piccadilly - Manchester Airport - Crewe
* Manchester Piccadilly - Hadfield / Glossop
* Manchester Airport - Manchester Piccadilly - Preston

There will be no Northern Rail services on any other routes.

Combining this with the ATW list that means no direct way of getting between Chester and Manchester next week except an infrequent National Express coach service. TPE are yet to release their list, but it's doubtful where they'll be any Liverpool Lime Street services at all.
 

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A normal service will run between Cardiff Queen Street and Cardiff Bay between 0730 and 1830. Customers can also use rail tickets valid to Cardiff Central, Cardiff Queen Street and Cardiff Bay on the Baycar bus service.



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So the Cardiff Bay service runs, 3 minutes each way, how pleasing for the
Assembly and so thoughtful of the All Wales Franchise.

from W/S for info

Updated: 30 Mar 2010 09.40
The RMT Union has announced that its members employed as Network Rail signallers and maintenance workers will take strike action on 6, 7, 8 and 9 April.

Unfortunately this will mean we will be unable to run a service over these dates, because Network Rail can not guarantee staff will be available to operate the signal boxes.

If you have booked to travel on these dates:

Keep checking our website for updates.
We will be working closely with Network Rail and will aim to run a service if possible. We will update the website with further information, before and during the strike period.
Any passengers already holding tickets for travel over the strike period may travel on any service within a week of their original travel date without rebooking their ticket. However, you are asked to travel on the same train as your original booked departure time on your new chosen day of travel. This is to try and ensure as far as possible that train services are evenly loaded and your journey is as comfortable as possible.
Alternatively, these passengers may claim a refund or rebook their ticket for a different day.
Any passengers already holding tickets for travel with us over the strike period can claim a refund or rebook their ticket for a different day. You will be able to apply for a refund up until the first day of the strike.
We will be unable to offer refund on any tickets purchased after the RMT Strike action was announced.
 
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As Eurostar is running (HS1 not maintained by Network Rail?) I would guess Southeastern will at least be running an Ashford/St Pancras shuttle. (Not confirmed though - just my speculation)

South Eastern running 2 tph Dover - St Pancras, calling additionally at Sandling and Westenhanger, so they say.
 
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This is what Southeastern are going to be running at the moment, it is all to be confirmed by Thursday 1st April.

The page can be found here.

Charing Cross Service

Ashford International – Charing Cross – two trains per hour - calling at all stations to Tonbridge, Sevenoaks, then fast to London Bridge.

Tunbridge Wells - Charing Cross – two trains per hour - calling at all stations to Sevenoaks, Orpington, then fast to London Bridge.

Sevenoaks – Charing Cross – two trains per hour - calling at all stations to Hither Green, then fast to London Bridge.

Gillingham – Charing Cross – two trains per hour - calling at all stations to Slade Green, then Abbey Wood, Woolwich Arsenal, Charlton, Greenwich, then fast to London Bridge.

Dartford – Charing Cross – two train per hour - calling at all stations via Greenwich.

Dartford – Charing Cross – two trains per hour - calling at all stations via Bexleyheath.

Dartford – Charing Cross – two trains per hour - calling at all stations via Sidcup.


Victoria service

Ashford International – Victoria – two trains per hour - calling at all stations to Swanley.

Gillingham – Victoria - two trains per hour - calling at all stations to Swanley then Bromley South.

Swanley – Victoria – two trains per hour - calling at all stations via Catford Loop.

Beckenham Junction – Victoria – two trains per hour - calling at all stations via Herne Hill.

High Speed

Dover Priory – St Pancras International – two trains per hour - calling additionally at Sandling and Westernhanger.

Gillingham – St Pancras International – two train per hour.

Ebbsfleet International – St Pancras International – two trains per hour.

There is a Strike Network Map available as well.
 
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Great Northern Emergency Timetable
Thameslink Emergency Timetable

Great Northern route

There will be a considerably reduced period of operation with no trains before 0700 or after 1900. On certain routes the hours of operation may be even more limited. Within these hours the following significantly reduced service will operate in both directions:

* 3 trains per hour between Moorgate and Hertford North calling at all stations (one service per hour in each direction will be extended to serve all stations between Moorgate and Stevenage via Hertford North)

* 3 trains per hour between Moorgate and Welwyn Garden City calling at all stations

* 2 trains per hour from King's Cross to Peterborough calling at Finsbury Park, Stevenage, Hitchin and all stations to Peterborough (and vice versa)

* 3 trains per hour between King's Cross and Cambridge with both limited stop and stopping services operating (two services per hour will be extended to serve Ely)

* Buses will replace trains between Ely and King's Lynn

As trains on the Great Northern route will finish much earlier than normal we anticipate last trains being very overcrowded, we therefore strongly suggest that you try to start your journey before 1600 as we will not be able to provide alternative transport if you miss the last train.

Thameslink route

A significantly reduced service will operate on all routes with no service on the Wimbledon loop and no service between City Thameslink and St Pancras International. On other routes the following services will operate.

London to Bedford

Services will operate throughout the day with some overnight services. We advise you to check back for precise train times.

* 4 trains per hour will operate from St Pancras International to West Hampstead Thameslink, St Albans then all stations to Bedford (and vice versa)
* 2 trains per hour between St Pancras International and Luton calling at all stations (during the peak hours, these services will be extended to run between St Pancras International and Bedford calling at all stations)

A reduced service will operate between 2000 and 0600.

London to Brighton

A reduced service will operate. Between approximately 0700 and approximately 1900 the following service will operate in both directions:

* 2 trains per hour from City Thameslink to London Blackfriars, London Bridge, East Croydon, Redhill, Gatwick Airport then all stations* to Brighton (*only one train per hour in each direction will call at Balcombe)

Between approximately 2230 and approximately 0530 the following service will operate in both directions:

* 1 train per hour from London Bridge to East Croydon, to East Croydon, Gatwick Airport and Three Bridges

Note that there will be a break in service on the Brighton route between 0530 and 0700 and between 1900 and 2230 daily.

London to Wimbledon and Sutton

No service will operate, please use local bus, Tube and Tramlink services to complete your journey. We are sorry that we are unable to offer any service on the Sutton/Wimbledon route. Network Rail are unable to provide signallers for all routes and in light of the alternative Tube and bus routes available it has been decided that this route will not be staffed. We understand the difficulties this may cause to customers and on behalf of Network Rail we apologise for this.

London to Sevenoaks

Services on this route are provided by Southeastern, please visit southeasternrailway.co.uk for details of their intended service.

Cross-London services

There will be no cross-London services between St Pancras International and City Thameslink. Please use local bus and Tube services.
Other operators

All trains operating companies will be affected by the strike action, with most offering only a reduced service. All train companies that share the same routes as First Capital Connect will operate only during the same reduced hours. For details of the full arrangements of other companies visit nationalrail.co.uk or the specific train companies website.
Alternative routes

We are working with other transport providers to identify any alternative routes that may be available during the strike. In particular, customers with Oyster Cards may wish to consider using London bus and tube services to complete there journeys where possible.
 
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