I wouldn't have thought that would be unreasonable.So could I reasonably get a train to North Yorkshire e.g. from Leeds to Settle, to allow me to exercise; and do you think I would get stopped? I've not seen any concrete definitions of essential travel yet from the government.
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I wouldn't have thought that would be unreasonable.
If someone lived in Dundee (for example) and wanting to go to Penzance for a swim and by pure coincidence managed to end up on an XC HST , that may well be seen as taking the P a bit.
I'd suppose it depends how comfortable you'd feel justifying it if you were stopped. "I live in a 1 bedroom flat in the city centre, I'm going walking in the hills for both my physical and mental health" sounds fair enough.
We seem to be allowed to walk in the open country side with a friend.
Since my friends tend to be a journey away, I will be using rail to get there.
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Living safely with respiratory infections, including COVID-19
Guidance for living safely with respiratory infections, including coronavirus (COVID-19).www.gov.uk
You should avoid travelling in or out of your local area, and you should look to reduce the number of journeys you make. However you can and should still travel for a number of reasons, including:
- travelling to work where this cannot be done from home
- travelling to education and for caring responsibilities
- hospital GP and other medical appointments or visits where you have had an accident or are concerned about your health
- visiting venues that are open, including essential retail
- exercise, if you need to make a short journey to do so
Cheers for that! I’ve just found something which says to that effect on the government website so like you say it should be justified.
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I've just found this on the gov.uk website incase you ever get questioned (the bolding is mine):
Seeing as there is no actual law banning the use of public transport, I personally would tell any nosey train crew or anyone that isnt a Police Officer to mind their own business.So could I reasonably get a train to North Yorkshire e.g. from Leeds to Settle, to allow me to exercise; and do you think I would get stopped? I've not seen any concrete definitions of essential travel yet from the government.
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Cheers for that! I’ve just found something which says to that effect on the government website so like you say it should be justified.
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I've just found this on the gov.uk website incase you ever get questioned (the bolding is mine):
11. Travel
If you live in England, you cannot travel overseas or within the UK, unless for work, education or other legally permitted reasons, and you should look to reduce the number of journeys you make. However you can and should still travel for a number of reasons, including:
- travelling to work where this cannot be done from home
- travelling to education and for caring responsibilities
- to visit those in your support bubble - or your childcare bubble for childcare
- hospital, GP and other medical appointments or visits where you have had an accident or are concerned about your health
- to buy goods or services from premises that are open, including essential retail
- to spend time or exercise outdoors - this should be done locally wherever possible, but you can travel to do so if necessary (for example, to access an open space)
- attending the care and exercise of a pet, or veterinary services
If you need to travel we encourage you to walk or cycle where possible, and to plan ahead and avoid busy times and routes on public transport. This will allow you to practise social distancing while you travel.
Most of this debate is of course based on the hypothetical situation where someone in authority actually challenges you. (The chances of encountering one being very slim, if the first lockdown is anything to go by).Looks like the wording has changed (the bolding is mine)
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Living safely with respiratory infections, including COVID-19
Guidance for living safely with respiratory infections, including coronavirus (COVID-19).www.gov.uk
That makes it pretty clear to me that using the train to go walking or cycling is very much permitted and perhaps even encouraged.
Looks like the wording has changed (the bolding is mine)
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Living safely with respiratory infections, including COVID-19
Guidance for living safely with respiratory infections, including coronavirus (COVID-19).www.gov.uk
That makes it pretty clear to me that using the train to go walking or cycling is very much permitted and perhaps even encouraged.
They haven't.Why have they banned people leaving the country?
They haven't.
busandtrainpage on Twitter said:Seen at Stowmarket Station. @GreaterAngliaPR is this official policy, and @BTPEAnglia since the lockdown has not been voted through Parliament yet are the contents of the notice legal and enforceable? Even when it is are they? Pic credit Anglia Gen FB
Apart from a few exemptions
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If you live in England, you cannot travel overseas or within the UK, unless for work, education or other legally permitted reasons, "
The key word being "unless". It's a lockdown of course unnecessary travel abroad is also included.
The regulations mention nothing about overseas travel.Unnecessary travel abroad was not included during the first lockdown
Whats the justification for it? Someone on furlough going home to Poland for a month then quarantine on return in December when lockdown is over?
They say it's banned, but if you have a reasonable excuse for being outside of the place you live, there's nothing stopping you from leaving the country in doing so.Why have they banned people leaving the country?
I wouldn't have thought that would be unreasonable.
If someone lived in Dundee (for example) and wanting to go to Penzance for a swim and by pure coincidence managed to end up on an XC HST , that may well be seen as taking the P a bit.
I'd suppose it depends how comfortable you'd feel justifying it if you were stopped. "I live in a 1 bedroom flat in the city centre, I'm going walking in the hills for both my physical and mental health" sounds fair enough.
She can say what she likes, doesnt make it law.Different restrictions of course in Scotland. Didn't Ms Sturgeon say that Scots should not travel to England.
Some crude ‘essential travel’ signs have appeared at Stowmarket this week, in an example of someone taking it upon themselves to enforce what they think the rules should be.
Some crude ‘essential travel’ signs have appeared at Stowmarket this week, in an example of someone taking it upon themselves to enforce what they think the rules should be:
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Image shows a clearly homemade A4 sign, typed in SHOUTY CAPITALS and mismatching font sizes in Times New Roman. The text reads: As of Thursday 5th November until Wednesday 2nd of December please only travel if your journey is ESSENTIAL, due to the current wave of COVID 19 anyone not travelling will be asked to leave. This is for the health and safety of passengers and staff. Trainspotting and train watching is not permitted.
Seeing as there is no actual law banning the use of public transport, I personally would tell any nosey train crew or anyone that isnt a Police Officer to mind their own business.
I know I don't have to, but it just saves aggravation and unnecessary delay.To be honest you don't have to tell the police either the purpose of your journey. Just be polite that's all.
Looks like the wording has changed (the bolding is mine)
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Living safely with respiratory infections, including COVID-19
Guidance for living safely with respiratory infections, including coronavirus (COVID-19).www.gov.uk
That makes it pretty clear to me that using the train to go walking or cycling is very much permitted and perhaps even encouraged.
I see Sturgeon is considering legislating “essential only” travel restrictions to ensure compliance.
She lost my vote months ago, but this is another reason to add to the list.
Just had a work email update confirming no change to the current message, which is Travel Safe or something along those lines. Nothing about discouraging travel or essential travel.
Use of Rail Staff Travel leisure facilities during the Covid-19 period - update 4 November 2020
You can still travel by train during a lockdown but should do so only for reasons as outlined in government advice. This advice may be different between England, Scotland and Wales, and there may be variations in different areas within each country.
If you are travelling by train, the rail industry is doing all it can to ensure that you can travel with confidence, including undertaking additional cleaning and placing hand sanitiser at key locations. Please follow any specific guidance issued by your Train Operating Company. Specifically, we ask that you:
You must also ensure you comply with the Staff Travel Restrictions and any Supplementary Restrictions as published on the Where Can I Go and Restrictions page of the Rail Staff Travel website. These are updated frequently as Train Operating Companies adapt to the changing situation.
- Travel at quieter times so that operators can ensure there is capacity for essential workers and other commuters.
- Wash your hands before and after your journey and carry hand sanitiser with you if you can.
- Wear a face covering (unless you are exempt), both inside rail stations and on trains.
- Buy your ticket before travel using contactless payment if possible.
She didn't say, but I reckon it'll be legislating that there will be no travel without a reasonable excuse between level 0/1/2 areas and level 3/4 areas.Essential travel only to England/abroad or within Scotland?
If it’s the latter, how can she justify opening cafes, shops and restaurants in city centres? That would surely be discriminatory to non-drivers?