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Arglwydd Golau

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Positive decisions by ECB to pick both, now for Michael Vaughan to be the coach

Not sure that Vaughan would want to do it....he likes making many provocative comments and so an official position would shut him up (perhaps not a bad thing!)

Interesting to see Mitchell Johnson carrying on against South Africa from where he left off in the Ashes...such a good bowler to watch when he is on song.
 
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Interesting to see Mitchell Johnson carrying on against South Africa from where he left off in the Ashes...such a good bowler to watch when he is on song.
If he can keep on leading the attack through a series win over the top-ranked South Africans he will be surely the only real contender for the Sir Garfield Sobers Trophy as the International Cricketer of the Year, and only the second player (after Ricky Ponting) to win it twice.

The hosts look like they are desperately missing Jacques Kallis already, both his consistent strength with the bat and the discipline he brings to the bowling.
 

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If might report on a domestic matter? Durham announced that Dale Benkenstein has been released from his contract, at his own request, before the start of the 2014 season. A sad day for Durham :(

Durham County Cricket Club can confirm that Dale Benkenstein has been released from his contract for the 2014 season.

The Club has agreed to a request from Dale to release him from his contract prior to the 2014 season.

Dale Benkenstein has spent the winter in South Africa recuperating from a serious shoulder operation, which kept him out of the majority of Durham's 2013 summer.
During this time Dale has determined that he would like to pursue a career in coaching. With no immediate opportunities at Durham following the success of the Club last season, Dale has requested that he be released from his contract in order to pursue player/coach opportunities elsewhere.

Although disappointed that Dale will not be returning as a player, Durham CCC recognises that at age 39 and following a serious shoulder injury this is an important time for Dale and the Club does not wish to stand in the way of his career development.

Whilst allowing Dale to leave the Club wish to place on record their appreciation of all that he achieved with Durham including; being the first captain to lift major silverware for the Club with the Friends Provident Trophy in 2007 and then the Captain of the inaugural County Championship winning side in 2008. Dale is also the Clubs all-time leading run scorer with 9055 First Class runs.

David Harker: “Dale has been a tremendous servant of Durham CCC and is regarded very much as part of the Durham family, therefore, although sad to see him leave we recognise the importance of a move both to Dale and his family and wish him every success in his future career development”.

Dale Benkenstein: “I have enjoyed being part of the Durham story and the success we have achieved. I would like to express my thanks to Durham CCC for my release to pursue a coaching career”.

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My next question is, when does the Dale Benkenstein stand get inaugurated?
 

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Australia (1st innings).....397 all out (122 overs)
Marsh 148 (15x4)
Smith 100 (1x4)
Steyn 4-78

Australia recovered from 98-4 to 331-5

South Africa (1st innings).....206 all out (61.1 overs)
de Villiers 91 (2x6, 11x4)
Johnson 7-68

Australia (2nd innings).....288-3 (69 overs)
Warner 115 (2x6, 13x4)
Doolan 89 (1x6, 11x4)
 

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It's been a record-breaking round of the Sheffield Shield the last few days.

Victoria recorded the worst-ever start to an innings in a Shield match, losing the first six wickets for nine runs in the third innings of their match against NSW. Even a century to Glenn Maxwell wasn't enough to make NSW bat again.

South Australia suffered an embarrassing defeat to Queensland, having taken the points for the first innings by a margin of 268 runs (despite the main man Phil Hughes being missing while they declined to enforce the follow-on and set Queensland a chase of 471. Queensland got there with five wickets in hand, the highest-ever successful chase in the final innings of a Shield match.

Australia (2nd innings).....288-3 (69 overs)
Warner 115 (2x6, 13x4)
Doolan 89 (1x6, 11x4)
Declared at 4/290 three overs into the day, South Africa are now 4/120 chasing a target of 483.

With the South Africans having no all-rounders and five specialist bowlers (i.e. one more wicket and it's the tail) the chance of South Africa getting away with even a draw in this Test looks only a little more likely than their nation's chance of winning the Ice Hockey gold medal at Sochi.
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And it's over!

Australia (397 & 4d/290) defeated chain massacred South Africa (206 & 200) by 281 runs - consecutive Test wins by the same margin against two different opposition sides.

It would be quite unfair to the Australian batsmen to give full credit for the win to Mitchell Johnson - Shaun Marsh and Steve Smith crushed the home bowlers into the ground before Johnson even got to touch the ball.
 

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In a perfect example to the England cricket team, the New Zealand captain Brendon McCullum batted through the fourth day of the second Test Match against India, scoring 281 not out (4 x 6 and 28 x 4). Together with wicketkeeper B.J.Watling, they added 352 runs for the sixth wicket.

New Zealand had a first innings defecit of 246 runs to overcome and when they were 94-5 in their second innings, all looked lost, but such was the determination shown on the fourth day, New Zealand closed at 571-6.
 

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Well done to Brendon McCullum, but it seems a pity that the match looks likely to peter out to a safe draw. I don't think he has the killer instinct of an attacking captain like Michael Clarke (or Chris Woakes for England A) who would shelve the personal glory (NZ's current highest Test score is Martin Crowe on 299) and declare before play to have a go at achieving the greater glory of winning the Test. He'll safely noodle it around through to lunch (getting the personal milestone on the way) and then give India two sessions at one of the easiest grounds in the world to block out a draw.

If there was a points system for Test cricket which awarded points only for wins or ties and none for drawn matches we'd be more likely to see a sporting declaration putting all three results on the table as well as the draw!


There's a U19 World Cup on at the moment, with the interesting result yesterday of Afghanistan beating Australia. That's great news for Afghanistan cricket as it shows they have depth for the future to sustain their national team's current rise through the lower ranks. It's also great news for the Australian national team, as world-leading form for the national team and U19 team always seem to be mutually exclusive, the last five years of lean times for the national team having seen our best ever performances in the U19 ranks.

Let us also be thankful that the U19 World Cup is still being played to ODI rules, and has not been swapped to the baseball/T20 format.
 

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Well done to Brendon McCullum, but it seems a pity that the match looks likely to peter out to a safe draw. I don't think he has the killer instinct of an attacking captain like Michael Clarke (or Chris Woakes for England A) who would shelve the personal glory (NZ's current highest Test score is Martin Crowe on 299) and declare before play to have a go at achieving the greater glory of winning the Test. He'll safely noodle it around through to lunch (getting the personal milestone on the way) and then give India two sessions at one of the easiest grounds in the world to block out a draw.

If there was a points system for Test cricket which awarded points only for wins or ties and none for drawn matches we'd be more likely to see a sporting declaration putting all three results on the table as well as the draw!

I'd much rather see New Zealand draw this match and win the series 1-0 than give India a chance of winning, this way it shows to the big 3 (Englan, India and Australia) that the recent vote the boards just have is a silly idea and should be left to how it was.

If Michael Clarke was in this position going into the last day of the Sydney Test in the last Ashes (I know I'm dreaming here :lol:) do you think he would declare 325 ahead and give England a chance of winning? I don't think so.

The points system you mentioned is a good idea if there is a 2 tier system, but perhaps it should be done quite simply 3 points for a win, 1 point each for a draw/tie, 0 points for a loss and the promotion/relegation happens every 2 years, that way you play teams in the same division (and the occasional cross division series) at least once in the 2 year cycle. Perhaps the 2 year cycle can begin in April as there is usually no Test matches played late March/early April, mainly due to IPL
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Brendon McCullum has just scored his maiden (and New Zealand) triple century off 557 balls, and James Neesham has also scored his maiden century on debut, latest score 625/6 off 199.1 overs
 

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I'd much rather see New Zealand draw this match and win the series 1-0 than give India a chance of winning, this way it shows to the big 3 (Englan, India and Australia) that the recent vote the boards just have is a silly idea and should be left to how it was.
Rubbish. India losing a Test series overseas doesn't send any message to anybody - most unfortunately not even to the BCCI selectors who keep persisting with having a defensive ODI captain (look at the way his fielders follow the ball) in charge of their Test team and the guys with the new ball bowling 120 km/h dibbly dobbly crap.

It is entirely sensible to have the three boards which fund the development of cricket everywhere else having a greater say in the running of the game than the other nations which can't even manage to break even without the ICC dole. It's not like they granted themselves absolute control or set up a formalised division system, all they went for in the end (with unconditional support from NZ, South Africa, Pakistan, the West Indies, Bangladesh and Zimbabwe) was the de-regulation of Test Cricket and guaranteed places on certain management committees.
If Michael Clarke was in this position going into the last day of the Sydney Test in the last Ashes (I know I'm dreaming here :lol:) do you think he would declare 325 ahead and give England a chance of winning? I don't think so.
Of course he would have, because - unlike McCullum, Cook and Dhoni - he has the killer instinct needed to be a Test Cricket captain and the chance of 5-0 would have been worth the risk of 4-1. He made a much more marginal declaration to try and win a dead rubber during the last winter Ashes series in England, one which did leave England enough time to win if the light hadn't faded early.

The points system you mentioned is a good idea if there is a 2 tier system, but perhaps it should be done quite simply 3 points for a win, 1 point each for a draw/tie, 0 points for a loss and the promotion/relegation happens every 2 years, that way you play teams in the same division (and the occasional cross division series) at least once in the 2 year cycle. Perhaps the 2 year cycle can begin in April as there is usually no Test matches played late March/early April, mainly due to IPL
The tried and true points system of the best First Class competition in the world would be more fit for Test cricket than pinching from another sport like soccer.

6 points for the winner of the match.
2 points for the leader of the first innings if the opposition wins or there is no result.
3 points each for a tie.

There should be no motive for batting out a boring draw as NZ have just done, not losing and retaining a better points for/against ratio should be enough of a reward in itself.

Promotion/relegation every four years is much more sensible than every two, it allows enough time for both home and away play within the same division, some inter-division play and at the end of the cycle a final between the top two and a promotion/relegation playoff. Two years would be way too compact for scheduling to be worked out.

The season starting in September would be more appropriate than May, September-October being a time where the championship final and promotion/relegation playoff could be played in either the northern or southern hemisphere as determined by the team earning home ground advantage.
 

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Well done to Brendon McCullum, but it seems a pity that the match looks likely to peter out to a safe draw. I don't think he has the killer instinct of an attacking captain like Michael Clarke (or Chris Woakes for England A) who would shelve the personal glory (NZ's current highest Test score is Martin Crowe on 299) and declare before play to have a go at achieving the greater glory of winning the Test. He'll safely noodle it around through to lunch (getting the personal milestone on the way) and then give India two sessions at one of the easiest grounds in the world to block out a draw.

I looked in at the tea interval. New Zealand had carried on until they posted a declaration when the score had reached 680-8, with McCullum eventually out for 302 (4 x 6 / 32 x 4) and being the first New Zealand player to score a triple-hundred in a Test Match. Another player, James Neesham finished on 137 not out (20 x 4).

India in response were 90-3 in their second innings.

The Indian bowling performances were:-
Sharma..........45-4-164-0
Zaheer Khan...51-13-170-5
Shami............43-6-149-2
Jadeja............52-11-115-1

Just an idle thought, but New Zealand showed England how middle-order batting should perform in times of adversity by proceeding from 94-5 to 625-7.
 
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Picked up from the commentary:
I think NZ may have carried on to overtake their previous best test score which was about 673?
McCullum was only the 3rd player to follow a double hundred by a triple, after Hammond and Bradman.
 

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Of course he would have, because - unlike McCullum, Cook and Dhoni - he has the killer instinct needed to be a Test Cricket captain and the chance of 5-0 would have been worth the risk of 4-1. He made a much more marginal declaration to try and win a dead rubber during the last winter Ashes series in England, one which did leave England enough time to win if the light hadn't faded early.

Even if all Australia had to do was avoid defeat in the last test to regain the Ashes do you think Clarke would let England chase down 325 in 90 overs, I would of batted until lunch at least, get 450ish lead then declare, just like NZ done, giving the away win out the possibility. But all different situations require different mentalities and opinions. I agree that Clarke is a more naturally aggressive captain, and I do like watching Australia play Test cricket because of how he captains his side.


The tried and true points system of the best First Class competition in the world would be more fit for Test cricket than pinching from another sport like soccer.

6 points for the winner of the match.
2 points for the leader of the first innings if the opposition wins or there is no result.
3 points each for a tie.

There should be no motive for batting out a boring draw as NZ have just done, not losing and retaining a better points for/against ratio should be enough of a reward in itself.

Promotion/relegation every four years is much more sensible than every two, it allows enough time for both home and away play within the same division, some inter-division play and at the end of the cycle a final between the top two and a promotion/relegation playoff. Two years would be way too compact for scheduling to be worked out.

The season starting in September would be more appropriate than May, September-October being a time where the championship final and promotion/relegation playoff could be played in either the northern or southern hemisphere as determined by the team earning home ground advantage.

I was just using my points system and cut off points as an example, but if you had England to play a promotion/relegation playoff at home against Pakistan in September the conditions and light here is not that good usually. I agree September is probably better than April/May but with the English summer (as well as the Irish, if they get test status) being at different times to the rest of world cricket then finding the best date for the promotion/relegation and championship matches will be hard, but can be sorted out.
 

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Interesting article in today's Sydney Morning Herald, it seems that Satya Nadella, the new CEO of Microsoft, is a former cricketer:
Q. What were some early leadership lessons for you?
A. I played on my school's cricket team, and there was one incident that just was very stunning to me. I was a bowler like a pitcher in baseball and I was throwing very ordinary stuff one day. So the captain took over from me and got the team a breakthrough, and then he let me take over again.
I never asked him why he did that, but my impression is that he knew he would destroy my confidence if he didn't put me back in. And I went on to take a lot more wickets after that. It was a subtle, important leadership lesson about when to intervene and when to build the confidence of the team. I think that is perhaps the No.1 thing that leaders have to do: to bolster the confidence of the people you're leading.
Full article here.

I hope that the bit about being like a pitcher meant he was just explaining it for the American interviewer, and not claiming his action was like Murali, Shillingford or Samuels!

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The second Test of the unofficial world championship series got underway in Port Elizabeth yesterday. Australia didn't change the winning side while South Africa made three changes to the side which gave England some dignity last week at Centurion - Dean Elgar in for Alviro Peterson (gastro), Quinton de Kock in for Robin Peterson (selection) and Wayne Parnell in for Ryan McLaren (Mitchell Johnson damage).

At the end of day one the score is South Africa 5/214 with Elgar 83, du Plessis 55, de Villiers 51* and the wickets to Lyon (2), Harris, Smith and Johnson. You'd have to say it looks pretty even from one day, and good to see a bit more of a contest this time.
 
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In Australian cricket parlance, why do they show the wickets fallen figure before the runs scored figure...and has this always been the case ?
I've heard a number of theories:

1. Until the introduction of limited overs cricket in the 1970s at least, the number of wickets taken was always the most important descriptor of the progress of an innings.
2. The ability to take all twenty wickets is the benchmark for a quality side, if you can't take the wickets then you can't win no matter how many runs you score.
3. It keeps things consistent the whole time, whether you're talking about the team score, bowlers' figures or describing part of an innings.
4. Because the bottom line of the batting card always reads Total: (7 wickets) 246 with the runs scored on the right in the same column as the runs scored by each batsman and extras.
5. Because the only time there's any chance of confusion (e.g. Victoria 3/0 at close of play last week, then 6/9 early on the next day) is if the bowlers are on top and they deserve to have their figure called first!

And finally, maybe the culture of Australian cricket just has a higher appreciation for the importance of quality bowling than elsewhere - something the English slogger Alex Hales might wish to remember next time he considers putting his reputation on the line in the Big Bash League just before the IPL player auction takes place!
 
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And finally, maybe the culture of Australian cricket just has a higher appreciation for the importance of quality bowling than elsewhere - something the English slogger Alex Hales might wish to remember next time he considers putting his reputation on the line in the Big Bash League just before the IPL player auction takes place!

I wonder what Don Bradman would make of that view....:shock:
 

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I wonder what Don Bradman would make of that view....:shock:
If he went to a T20 match at all, I'm sure he would be cheering on the opposition bowlers every time a "cricket" team had an ugly baseball-style slogger like Hales walk out to hit a few home runs before chopping onto the stumps or chunking it to a fielder. Cricket should be a contest between bat and ball, not a shootout to see who can score the most home runs!

It does make me wonder whether the introduction of T20 (and then the subsequent over-emphasis on it) in Australia might have been delayed if Bradman was still alive and standing up for proper cricket. We could only hope it would have.
 
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I take it that from a few of your recent postings, noting the number of mentions made of his name in these, that Hales is not a cricketer that you are enamoured with.
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Close of play score to follow on from my earlier posting...

Australia (1st innings)...246 all out (57 overs)

Warner 70 (11x4)

Morkel 3-63
Philander 3-68

South Africa (2nd innings)...192-4 (47 overs)

Amla 93 not out (12x4)

South Africa now currently have a lead of 369 runs. Both sides posted decent run rates per over in these two innings.
 
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Hell no! If you had been at Adelaide Oval for the last home game of the BBL and seen the home fans boo him as he came out to bat (and then sarcastically cheer when he made double figures for just the third time in eight matches) you would also gather he's very unpopular with just about everyone in Adelaide and will certainly not be invited back next summer.

Still, the joke was on him in the end with that effort (or lack of) making him unemployable in the IPL.
 

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Second Test Match...Day 4 of 5

South Africa (2nd innings)...270-5 declared
Amla 127 not out (16x4)

Australia (2nd innings)...216 all out
Rogers 107 not out (12x4)
Warner 66 (1x6, 9x4)

Steyn 4-55

Australia slumped from being 152-1 to 216 all out.

South Africa win by 231 rums. One Test Match each now.
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First ODI

West Indies 269-6 (50 overs)
Bravo 87 not out (1x6/8x4)
Simmons 65 (6x4)
Sammy 61 (4x6/5x4)

A good recovery from being 45-4 at one stage.

England 254-6 (50 overs)
Lumb 106 (2x6/7x4)

West Indies win by 15 runs.
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Asia Cup

Afghanistan...254-6 (50 overs)
Stanizai 90 (3x6, 6x4)
Shanwari 81 (1x6, 10x4)

An impressive recovery from being 90-5 at one time until the two named players above staged a most dramatic middle-order recovery of the type that England have seemed to have forgotten is possible.

Bangladesh...222 all out (47.5 overs)

Afghanistan registered their first-ever win over a Test-playing nation.
 
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Watching the Windies v England ODI.

I am not convinced with the inclusion of Luke Wright in the squad, he's not scored much in both matches.

If he's dropped for the final match, who should replace him?


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I'm in despair with another display of a traditional England batting collapse.

Bumble....Start the Car!!!!


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Watching the Windies v England ODI.

I am not convinced with the inclusion of Luke Wright in the squad, he's not scored much in both matches.

If he's dropped for the final match, who should replace him?

Eoin Morgan on one leg?
 

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Well, we did it in the end.

I personally think Ravi Bopara should be batting further up the order, Luke Wright should be dropped.


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Asia Cup

Afghanistan...254-6 (50 overs)
Stanizai 90 (3x6, 6x4)
Shanwari 81 (1x6, 10x4)

An impressive recovery from being 90-5 at one time until the two named players above staged a most dramatic middle-order recovery of the type that England have seemed to have forgotten is possible.

Bangladesh...222 all out (47.5 overs)

Afghanistan registered their first-ever win over a Test-playing nation.
It's still only halfway through the first innings of the match, but Sri Lanka look like giving Afghanistan a red hot chance of getting their second win against a Test-playing team, batting first Sri Lanka are 3/96 after 25 overs.

Coincidentally, at exactly the same time South Africa is also on 3/96 in the deciding Test of the unofficial world championship series. Australia got to 7d/494 before rain came halfway through the second day, and then declared before play started for day three.
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Now the two matches are simultaneously on 3/111

I wonder if somebody will send a message to Sangakkara and Chandimal to get a move on as they are scoring at a slower rate than a Test match!
 

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Coincidentally, at exactly the same time South Africa is also on 3/111 in the deciding Test of the unofficial world championship series. Australia got to 7d/494 before rain came halfway through the second day, and then declared before play started for day three.

Australia (1st innings)...494-7 dec. (127.4 overs)
Clarke 161 not out (17x4)
Warner 135 (1x6, 12x4)
Smith 84 (3x6, 9x4)

Duminy 4-73

South Africa (1st innings)...287 all out (87.5 overs)
du Plessis 67 (6x4)
Petersen 53 (8x4)

Johnson 4-42
Harris 3-63

A good Australian lead of 207 to take forward.
 

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Australia (1st innings)...494-7 dec. (127.4 overs)
Clarke 161 not out (17x4)
Warner 135 (1x6, 12x4)
Smith 84 (3x6, 9x4)

Duminy 4-73

South Africa (1st innings)...287 all out (87.5 overs)
du Plessis 67 (6x4)
Petersen 53 (8x4)

Johnson 4-42
Harris 3-63

A good Australian lead of 207 to take forward.

They not enforcing the follow on then?
 

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