Cross Country Timings: HST or Voyager?

[43074]

Whilst consulting the Working Timetable for Cross Country diversions on 27th January, using Open Train Times, it occurred to me that an unusually high number of trains were timed for HST operation: of the 27 trains diverted from Burton, 12 of them were timed for HSTs, as opposed to Voyagers. Can anyone tell me whether these trains timed for HSTs are actually booked for HSTs, or are they just timed for HSTs for performance or any other purposes?

Thanks in advance.

1. The trains running via Leicester on Sundays until 10th February are posted below: (None of the trains are booked to stop at Leicester). (The traction indicated below is what the timings are for)
2. The Derby to Birmingham line is closed for engineering works between Derby and Burton-on-Trent.

1S39 09:12 Birmingham New Street Glasgow Central Voyager
1S41 10:12 Birmingham New Street Edinburgh Voyager
1S43 11:12 Birmingham New Street Glasgow Central Voyager
1S45 12:12 Birmingham New Street Dundee Voyager
1S47 13:12 Birmingham New Street Glasgow Central HST
1S49 14:12 Birmingham New Street Edinburgh Voyager
1S51 15:12 Birmingham New Street Glasgow Central Voyager
1S53 16:12 Birmingham New Street Edinburgh HST
1S55 17:12 Birmingham New Street Edinburgh HST
1E63 18:12 Birmingham New Street York HST
1E67 19:12 Birmingham New Street Leeds HST
1E73 20:12 Birmingham New Street Leeds Voyager
1E75 21:12 Birmingham New Street Leeds HST

1V48 08:10 Leeds Birmingham New Street HST
1V50 09:00 Leeds Birmingham New Street HST
1V52 09:33 York Birmingham New Street HST
1V54 09:30 Newcastle Birmingham New Street Voyager
1V56 09:08 Edinburgh Birmingham New Street HST
1V58 10:08 Edinburgh Birmingham New Street Voyager
1V60 11:05 Edinburgh Birmingham New Street Voyager
1V62 10:55 Glasgow Central Birmingham New Street Voyager
1V64 11:51 Glasgow Central Birmingham New Street HST
1V66 12:25 Dundee Birmingham New Street Voyager
1V68 13:49 Glasgow Central Birmingham New Street HST
1V70 14:55 Glasgow Central Birmingham New Street Voyager
1V72 17:08 Edinburgh Birmingham New Street Voyager
1M00 16:55 Glasgow Central Birmingham New Street Voyager

 

[Mugby]

I'm not quite sure what you mean.

Between Leicester and Derby the maximum line speed is 110mph. which would be achieved by either a Voyager or an HST wouldn't it?

 

[43074]

I'm not quite sure what you mean.

Between Leicester and Derby the maximum line speed is 110mph. which would be achieved by either a Voyager or an HST wouldn't it?

Yes but the acceleration characteristics of a 221 are quite different to that of an HST. I am asking whether the Cross Country Trains being diverted this way are booked for the trains they are timed for (e.g. if a train is timed for a High Speed Train, is it booked for an HST). Sorry if there was any confusion or this post sounds a bit aggressive.

 

[The Planner]

If it was a performance bodge by XC, they would all be timed as HST. Though knowing XC, they would still want the quickest times possible so it could well be gospel and they put out the traction as timed.

 

[matt]

The won't all be HSTs as there are only 5 CrossCountry HST sets

 

[D1009]

My gen for next Sunday's HSTs is :

1)
1S33 0908 LDS-GLC
1V68 1349 GLC-BHM
1E75 2112 BHM-LDS
2)
1V52 0933 YRK-BHM
1S47 1312 BHM-GLC
1C85 2058 GLC-EDB
3)
1V64 1151 GLC-BHM
1E67 1912 BHM-LDS

 

[Rich McLean]

As per the diagrams above, XC services are turning at BHM due to engineering work, hence more HST Timings

 

[PHILIPE]

We frequently have to point that "open train times" is not suitable for identifying the diagrammed type of traction. It is, in effect, for timing purposes. All types of the traction shewn sre suitable for the speed of the train.

 

[MCR247]

Yes, but it some cases it can be used to see the booked stock. Like why would XC just randomly time some services for HSTs when they aren't? Even though, yes, they have, you can often think like that and find out the correct booked stock

 

[D1009]

Yes, but it some cases it can be used to see the booked stock. Like why would XC just randomly time some services for HSTs when they aren't? Even though, yes, they have, you can often think like that and find out the correct booked stock

Because the trains are usually timed before the amended diagrams are finalised. A voyager on HST timings will gain time, but an HST on voyager timings may lose time, though usually not enough to cause a problem.

 

[MCW]

My gen for next Sunday's HSTs is :

1)
1S33 0908 LDS-GLC
1V68 1349 GLC-BHM
1E75 2112 BHM-LDS
2)
1V52 0933 YRK-BHM
1S47 1312 BHM-GLC
1C85 2058 GLC-EDB
3)
1V64 1151 GLC-BHM
1E67 1912 BHM-LDS

If I am right are these passing through leicester?

 

[bb21]

If I am right are these passing through leicester?

They are. The XC diversions via Leicester have been ongoing for a few weeks already.

 

[MCW]

They are. The XC diversions via Leicester have been ongoing for a few weeks already.

Awesome, time to get some good pictures