Even a 5 car HST? Also, I wasn't aware that 195's can do 110mph.No it won’t. A 195 accelerates a hell of a lot quicker than an HST and due to line speed can both achieve the same top speed.
Even a 5 car HST? Also, I wasn't aware that 195's can do 110mph.No it won’t. A 195 accelerates a hell of a lot quicker than an HST and due to line speed can both achieve the same top speed.
I wonder how much of a Corby-Glasgow market there still is. Certainly a big thing in the 80s.They may as well go the whole hog then and make it a Nottingham - Glasgow as it used to be. Operate this instead of the Northern Nottingham - Leeds and send it via Wakefield Westgate as original was planned for the Northern service. An HST gives you substantially faster running which will seriously cut the Nottingham - Leeds time as an added bonus.
XC don't have any 195s though...No it won’t. A 195 accelerates a hell of a lot quicker than an HST and due to line speed can both achieve the same top speed.
Is there a huge amount of 110 Carlisle-Glasgow? Back in 2002 iirc there was only one such section and I believe the EPS speeds just went on top of the conventional ones without changing them.Even a 5 car HST? Also, I wasn't aware that 195's can do 110mph.
Don't fall into that trap. 100mph vs 110mph is 3.3 seconds a mile. 18 miles to get you a minute.In terms of 110mph running, I was thinking more of the stretches between Nottingham and Leeds on MML and ECML metals.
Considering it is a back of a fag packet idea at the moment, I doubt they have a clue.Are they planning to call at all of the small stations on the Settle-Carlisle line? I'd assume not if HSTs are going to be the traction
I am fully aware of that fact but as the post was referring to the Leeds - Nottingham section where we were told that HST’s would be ‘substantially faster’ (18 miles to save a minute as it turns out and I don’t believe there’s even 18 miles worth of 110mph running between Leeds and Nottingham) I was using the current stock as a comparison.XC don't have any 195s though...
I suppose the XC service could be chopped at York instead of Leeds. Or run to Hull instead, as has been suggested in the past.I think this is the third time in 3 weeks now.
Why is everyone obsessed with reducing Leeds stations limited capacity. There is not the room to terminate them and either stable them for 65 minutes or shunt them out. We’ve got one thread suggesting Brighton through services using the Thameslink core to Leeds to consider now as well so NR had better get busy looking at widening the station throat and adding several new platforms.
Or continue it to Scotland….I suppose the XC service could be chopped at York instead of Leeds. Or run to Hull instead, as has been suggested in the past.
Well yes, you could just leave it as it is!Or continue it to Scotland….
I reckon 3 1/2 hours should be possible if it can be pathed north of Carlisle, especially if 75 is allowed on the S and C. That's half an hour quicker than via Edinburgh.It won’t compete with the existing ECML service on time.
Fairly certain they have run via Settle before, though it is not the usual diversion as you say. Can't remember the circumstances, but some sort of emergency.Not via Settle. They will have run Leeds - Newcastle - Carlisle - Edinburgh at start of service when the line is shut via Berwick.
It looks like there have been some Voyagers on the Cardiff-Nottingham services this week.It also mentions the possibility of voyagers being used on Cardiff-Nottingham services.
They’re not sure yet what to do with the superseded HSTs, but this is a slim possibility.
Perhaps they could run through to/from York........using the pathways of the Northern Blackpool service, which could terminate at/start from Leeds in one of the shorter bay platforms?Why is everyone obsessed with reducing Leeds stations limited capacity. There is not the room to terminate them and either stable them for 65 minutes or shunt them out. We’ve got one thread suggesting Brighton through services using the Thameslink core to Leeds to consider now as well so NR had better get busy looking at widening the station throat and adding several new platforms.
I think that's one of the strange quirks of the English language - antonyms can actually mean the same thing when coupled to certain other words! For example, a house can simultaneously burn up and burn down. (Schroedinger's house?)On that subject, why is it that ‘slim chance’ and ‘fat chance’ mean the same thing?
Would this be an end to the HST’s that currently do the Leeds to Plymouth? I hope not...
This relates to the existing XC service. Yes, it should run to York for this reason, but it already has a path.Perhaps they could run through to/from York........using the pathways of the Northern Blackpool service, which could terminate at/start from Leeds in one of the shorter bay platforms?
Like it or not, XC will want (double) Voyagers on the longer routes so as to standardise the timings.TBH I think the comfort and capacity of the HST is better on the long distance runs. By all means do this new service but use Voyagers. Big windows for the view, too!![]()
If you want big windows, use pacers! I'd love a good bit of pacer thrash up the WCML...Yes, I believe it would.
TBH I think the comfort and capacity of the HST is better on the long distance runs. By all means do this new service but use Voyagers. Big windows for the view, too!![]()
XC already have a path between Leeds & York. The issue east of Leeds which we’ve visited many times before is the sheer amount of TPE services. Why should XC and/or Northern miss out on that market? XC (Wakefield to York) and Northern (Lancashire/Calder Valley/Bradford to York) also connect a completely different hourly market to York which are well used. TPE connect the same market up to 4 times an hour.Perhaps they could run through to/from York........using the pathways of the Northern Blackpool service, which could terminate at/start from Leeds in one of the shorter bay platforms?
Apologies, but as the thread was about XC...I am fully aware of that fact but as the post was referring to the Leeds - Nottingham section where we were told that HST’s would be ‘substantially faster’ (18 miles to save a minute as it turns out and I don’t believe there’s even 18 miles worth of 110mph running between Leeds and Nottingham) I was using the current stock as a comparison.
I suspect this will have far less capacity than the 6 car 331’s that are to operate these services.If we have more co-ordinated planning with the introduction of GBR, then would it be a good idea to have one of the first diagrams start at Skipton to operate a morning peak service and take the strain off of northern stopping trains a la Class 180 operating a morning Hebden Bridge to Leeds service.
Which is why I, for one, am treading carefully...I think this is the third time in 3 weeks now.
Why is everyone obsessed with reducing Leeds stations limited capacity. There is not the room to terminate them and either stable them for 65 minutes or shunt them out. We’ve got one thread suggesting Brighton through services using the Thameslink core to Leeds to consider now as well so NR had better get busy looking at widening the station throat and adding several new platforms.
The most disappointing aspect of new rolling stock, the windows.If you want big windows, use pacers! I'd love a good bit of pacer thrash up the WCML...![]()
The most disappointing aspect of new rolling stock, the windows.